And it was all for nothing. Just about everyone got covid, except some lucky people with a particular blood type, and many got it several times despite those measures. It was all BS. Most of the people, who died, died because they were given Midazolam and ventilators. The whole thing was a disgusting mess that should never be allowed to happen again, but, sadly, the labs are still working on new viruses to leak, and the governments are still working on new ways to enforce their tyranny.
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I watched the other day a yt video about the story behind the development of CRISPR CAS-9 by the Prof that won the nobel prize, Jennifer Doudna.
CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing and how it works - with Jennifer Doudna (youtube.com)
Our cells incorporate them in our DNA by the same mechanism that bacteria acquire immunity from virueses that attacked them. Later, those fragments cause various troubles for us.
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BYD unveils hard-hitting sports car AND affordable hatchback
Chinese automaker BYD has unveiled its first sports car, the $230,000 Yangwang U9, and a version of its Dolphin hatchback with a $14,000 price tag.
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Interesting, and I don't find it surprising. From the earliest days of the vaccines being applied I was critical of them, feeling it was far to premature. My view on dealing with new and unknown pandemics is to only take the most obvious precautions of masking, separation and the basics of good health. i.e. Keeping sheltered and warm, adequately fed and exercised but otherwise to let the pandemic run its course.
Given those behavioural basics, most pandemics seriously affect only a very small proportion of the population and most deaths are among those who are already very vulnerable from prior conditions. That approach achieves herd immunity quite soon, dealing with the problem, while longer term and more thorough research is done into producing a single fully tested and effective vaccine, rather than a mix of rivals making questionable success claims.
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"Ice mass vs extent", if it has to be broken through, it's Ice, not candyfloss! I prefer facts to "sceance-tists" "prediction models".
"Follow the money", if ice were gone/receding, why would a country spend on 5 new atom icebreakers, 2 already in service with 3 under construction, adding to the existing 2 atom boats and numerous others (41 total?).
The US only has 2, but plans for 6 more.
www.defensenews.com
Why would they need them if the ice is melting, eh?
Some more of world's icebreaker fleet:
Norway 1 medium, 1 light breaker
Finland 1 heavy, 7 others, 9 total?
Canada 2 heavy, 8 medium, 8 light
Denmark 3 light. Estonia 2 light
Even Sweden has 5 light with 2 more on order
Are they imagining the ice?
https://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/icebreaking-deglacage/fleet-flotte-eng.html
"Follow the money", if ice were gone/receding, why would a country spend on 5 new atom icebreakers, 2 already in service with 3 under construction, adding to the existing 2 atom boats and numerous others (41 total?).
The US only has 2, but plans for 6 more.
US Coast Guard calls for larger icebreaker fleet to compete in the Arctic
As sea ice in the Arctic melts, the Coast Guard needs more icebreakers to remain competitive.
www.defensenews.com
Some more of world's icebreaker fleet:
Norway 1 medium, 1 light breaker
Finland 1 heavy, 7 others, 9 total?
Canada 2 heavy, 8 medium, 8 light
Denmark 3 light. Estonia 2 light
Even Sweden has 5 light with 2 more on order
Are they imagining the ice?
https://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/icebreaking-deglacage/fleet-flotte-eng.html
So you also couldn't find any scientific research that contradicts the fact that Antarctic ice mass is decreasing ?"Ice mass vs extent", if it has to be broken through, it's Ice, not candyfloss! I prefer facts to "sceance-tists" "prediction models".
"Follow the money", if ice were gone/receding, why would a country spend on 5 new atom icebreakers, 2 already in service with 3 under construction, adding to the existing 2 atom boats and numerous others (41 total?).
The US only has 2, but plans for 6 more.
Why would they need them if the ice is melting, eh?US Coast Guard calls for larger icebreaker fleet to compete in the Arctic
As sea ice in the Arctic melts, the Coast Guard needs more icebreakers to remain competitive.
Some more of world's icebreaker fleet:
Norway 1 medium, 1 light breaker
Finland 1 heavy, 7 others, 9 total?
Canada 2 heavy, 8 medium, 8 light
Denmark 3 light. Estonia 2 light
Even Sweden has 5 light with 2 more on order
Are they imagining the ice?
https://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/icebreaking-deglacage/fleet-flotte-eng.html
Ice Sheets | NASA Global Climate Change
Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.
Mass balance of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets from 1992 to 2020
Abstract. Ice losses from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have accelerated since the 1990s, accounting for a significant increase in the global mean sea level. Here, we present a new 29-year record of ice sheet mass balance from 1992 to 2020 from the Ice Sheet Mass Balance...
They need them for a variety of reasons: bring supply to the outpost, scientific research, resources exploration, military presence etc. The more ice melts, more opportunities for exploration.
As mikelbikel 's first link makes clear
"Polar ice has steadily decreased over the last few decades, opening potential new trade routes that could link Asia, North America and Europe."
You obviously didn't manage to read as far as paragraph two of that article:-I thought that an intelligent guy like you would have learnt not to trust the BBC by now, especially David Attenborough. Who do you want to believe, the BBC or proper scientific research?
New Perspectives on the Enigma of Expanding Antarctic Sea Ice - Eos
Recent research offers new insights on Antarctic sea ice, which, despite global warming, has increased in overall extent over the past 40 years.eos.org
The increase in Antarctic sea ice extent stands in stark contrast to conditions in the Arctic, where sea ice extent has declined significantly—by about 2 million square kilometers, or about 20%, over the past 40 years. Much of the observed loss of Arctic sea ice, which is in general agreement with expectations from climate models, has been attributed to anthropogenic global warming.
I thought that you were being serious but now realise that this nonsense must all be designed for comic effect.
BTW If you were in government how would you control a highly infective potentially lethal respiratory virus with no immunity & no vaccines? In case Public Health isn't your strong suit the answer is lockdown, social distancing etc Without these measures the country would have descended into chaos with millions infected all at the same time thus overwhelming the NHS. Vaccination allowed these measures to be relaxed & saved many tens of thousands of lives.
This is complete & utter foolish poisonous nonsense. Do you even know what Midazolam is without Googling & grabbing yet another article that you don't understand? People died because they had an overwhelming illness that predominantly targeted their lungs so that there wasn't sufficient oxygen exchange to sustain life. Only a small minority of those who died would have been on a ventilator.
There were no obvious measures
I am not against vaccines, but did not like to see scientists exagerrating their protective power.
flecc self isolated, me too. We closed our shop to the public, worked in one room each and put the masks on when we needed to converse.
I am not against vaccines, but did not like to see scientists exagerrating their protective power.
A lot of the East Asian countries had much stronger public health testing, contact tracing , isolation regimes and a population (better educated ? ) much more willing to follow social distancing protocols that allowed them to do much better both economically and health wise during the pandemic without lockdowns.
& if the UK were self-sufficient in food we could have adopted the approach of New Zealand & closed the borders until vaccines became available but there really was no alternative to lockdown which would have saved even more lives if implemented earlier.
Timely testing wasn't available initially with results taking days to be returned. Even when rapid tests became available there weren't sufficient for mass testing. Lockdown, distancing etc are all tried & tested measures for preventing spread of disease in an epidemic/pandemic.
Lockdown, distancing, isolation etc are all tried & tested public health measures for preventing spread of disease in an epidemic/pandemic when you have no effective treatment & no vaccine. This bought time for treatments to be found & for vaccines to be developed. Of course the vaccines are far more effective at preventing serious illness & death than treatments are at cure.
I don't think lockdown had been tried before in previous epidemics ? Not disagreeing that it stopped the NHS being overwhelmed. I think the problem here is that our public health capabilities had been hollowed out over the years. South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Vietnam had much better pandemic control programs than we did without needing lockdown and it shows starkly in both the economic and health stats
e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_South_Korea
I think you should re-read my post. That is what I said how they passed responsibility to us.
As Woosh confirmed, I isolated, and in addition ignored some of the governments more idiotic compulsory guidance to make myself even more safe. Such utter stupidity as ordering us to exercise only in the crowded high density areas were we live, and their police ordering people away from the open countryside where they were much safer and far more separated.
The UK governments approach was very wrong and resulted in far more deaths than was necessary. I argued throughout that the right approach was the Swedish largely voluntary one and not the enforcement and ridiculously large and unenforceable fines that provoked lack of compliance and opposition marches and demonstrations out of anger.
The result, we had 40% more deaths pro rata than Sweden. And please dont try to tell me that's because Sweden is a very different as some tried to say at the time, since as I showed then, that simply isn't true.
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"Has been attributed to" means "someone said", and is quite different to "is caused by".
Throughout millennia, the ice at each pole has constantly changed due to the Milankovitch cycles, which we can do nothing about.
If politicians truly believed that burning stuff was going to obliterate the planet, there wouldn’t be a war in Ukraine, nor Israel.
Some government action was idiotic eg 'Eat Out to Help the Disease Spread About". Some police action was idiotic but that probably reflected the fact they were operating outside their normal parameters & didn't have the right guidance from the government.
Lockdown in particular the first lockdown (which came too late) was the only sensible response to an unknown disease that was killing people by the thousand in nearby countries. We had no idea that the chaotic scenes from Italy wouldn't be repeated in the UK. In those first few weeks in Italy well over a hundred doctors died (never mind any other healthcare workers).
Sweden is a very different country eg richer, much smaller population, far less ethnically diverse, far fewer multi-generational households etc etc What they did seemed to work for them but for thousands in the UK it would have meant a death sentence.
The initial aim of all the lockdown measures was to reduce viral transmission so reducing the number of infections & thus prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed. Without these measures the danger was there could be hundreds of thousands of severely ill people many breathing their last. The country could grind to a halt in a severe emergency with nobody to bury/cremate the dead or deliver food to the shops.
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