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Woosh

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why are free energy devices for free electric and antigravity banned for patents being granted?
That's an interesting question.
I was going to answer with scientific reasoning (symetry SU3 > conservation of energy > second law of thermodynamics) but figured that AI would do a far better job at explaining, so I asked ChatGPT and here is your answer:

Reasoned about free energy and patents for 8 seconds
The main reason is that these types of devices often violate well-established physical laws. In practice, patent offices don’t “ban” ideas like free energy or antigravity outright, but they require that an invention be clearly described, operable, and based on sound scientific principles.
Key Points:
  • Scientific Plausibility:
    Claims for free energy or antigravity devices generally contradict the laws of thermodynamics (like the conservation of energy) or other well-tested scientific principles. Patent examiners require credible evidence and a working model, which these inventions typically fail to provide.
  • Patent Examination Process:
    When a patent application involves a device that appears to be a perpetual motion machine or violates basic physics, examiners will be highly skeptical. They ask for detailed proofs and demonstrable functionality. Without reproducible results or clear theoretical backing, these applications are rejected.
  • Legal and Technical Standards:
    Patent offices have strict standards regarding novelty, utility, and non-obviousness. Even if an idea is novel, it must also be feasible and useful according to current scientific understanding. Claims that don’t meet these standards, even if they’re presented in a creative way, won’t be granted.
So, while it might seem like there's a “ban,” it's really that these inventions fail to meet the rigorous criteria of scientific validity and demonstrable operation required for a patent to be approved.
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Woosh

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PS: the devices themselves are not impossible, just that they don't work on earth, no matter what. You have to go into space to avoid the issue of conservation of energy.
 
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nigelbb

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Don't you want to control your dishwasher with an app? You already control your heating system, gate, lights, tvs with your phone and even your car so why not your dishwasher? You still can use the machine without WiFi.
We had a new tumble dryer delivered yesterday. You can use it manually or via an app on your phone. It's convenient as it shows the progress of the drying & the dryer is in the laundry room on the ground floor.
 
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Hen

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That's an interesting question.
I was going to answer with scientific reasoning (symetry SU3 > conservation of energy > second law of thermodynamics) but figured that AI would do a far better job at explaining, so I asked ChatGPT and here is your answer:

Reasoned about free energy and patents for 8 seconds
The main reason is that these types of devices often violate well-established physical laws. In practice, patent offices don’t “ban” ideas like free energy or antigravity outright, but they require that an invention be clearly described, operable, and based on sound scientific principles.
Key Points:
  • Scientific Plausibility:
    Claims for free energy or antigravity devices generally contradict the laws of thermodynamics (like the conservation of energy) or other well-tested scientific principles. Patent examiners require credible evidence and a working model, which these inventions typically fail to provide.
  • Patent Examination Process:
    When a patent application involves a device that appears to be a perpetual motion machine or violates basic physics, examiners will be highly skeptical. They ask for detailed proofs and demonstrable functionality. Without reproducible results or clear theoretical backing, these applications are rejected.
  • Legal and Technical Standards:
    Patent offices have strict standards regarding novelty, utility, and non-obviousness. Even if an idea is novel, it must also be feasible and useful according to current scientific understanding. Claims that don’t meet these standards, even if they’re presented in a creative way, won’t be granted.
So, while it might seem like here's a it's really that these inventions fail to meet the rigorous criteria of scientific validity and demonstrable operation required for a patent to be approved.
o3-mini
It turns out that the problem is n't the patents themselves, but the fact that such devices don't work in reality. Otherwise, they would have been patented.
 
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flecc

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We had a new tumble dryer delivered yesterday. You can use it manually or via an app on your phone. It's convenient as it shows the progress of the drying & the dryer is in the laundry room on the ground floor.
Does the app tell you when it's caught fire in the floor below as tumble dryers have been so apt to do many times?
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flecc

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oh well 25% import fees for all uk cars to usa from today :p
What that would do to all the car dealerships in the USA? They may have to sell more used cars from now on.
It could well increase sales of our cars as perceived values rise.

Germany has overpriced their cars for many decades, most of all BMW who for images sake have their main showroom in expensive Park Lane, London. But far from hurting their sales, it increases their popularity.
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PS: the devices themselves are not impossible, just that they don't work on earth, no matter what. You have to go into space to avoid the issue of conservation of energy.
Solar panels and wind generators are free energy devices that work pretty well. You just put them in the garden and get the free electricity to do whatever you want with it. All my electricity won't cost a penny until around November.
 
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soundwave

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i cant even move it lmfao :D
 

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We had a new tumble dryer delivered yesterday. You can use it manually or via an app on your phone. It's convenient as it shows the progress of the drying & the dryer is in the laundry room on the ground floor.
Cor, you're posh. Just imagine, a laundry room.

Is that next to the butlers pantry ?
 

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soundwave

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battlebots be back on soon :p
 

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nigelbb

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Cor, you're posh. Just imagine, a laundry room.

Is that next to the butlers pantry ?
We live in a town house in a mews. The ground floor is an enormous garage plus a laundry room & store for the rubbish bins. Living room & kitchen on the first floor with bedrooms on the upper floor. All the residents are elderly. A couple of the neighbours have installed lifts. A dumb waiter or chutes for laundry or rubbish would be nice.
 
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MikelBikel

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"Visited by 3 men in balaclavas.." . In Ireland that has a whole other ominous meaning.. :cool:
Like a count your extremities afterwards and am I above ground looking down or.. hehehe.