Nonsense.
We were already bankrupt and our industries collapsing long before joining the EU, that is why the IMF took over the running of our economy through the 1970s. I know all this because I was out at work from 1950 and watched it all happening at first hand as we failed to compete in the world with our inadequate products.
You don't know, so with your anti EU phobia you place all the blame for our failings on the EU. How are they to blame for our continuing failures since we've left? Such as our failure to get the trade agreements that the leavers promised.
And if the EU is so bad, how come all the other members economies are so far ahead of ours now? How come Germany, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, France and Italy as EU members subject to the same rules do so well? How come even the French workers with their much shorter working week are 20% more productive than the British?
The answers are all there, we don't have enough British mass production products that the world wants, so we make other countries products and their profits for them. Our productivity is so poor our own goods are too expensive. Our few designs too often lag far behind current standards. And as the PM remarked, 25% of all Britons of working age are not employed though not shown as unemployed. How can we succeed if a quarter of the country's workers aren't even working or wanting to work?
The continuous stream of our failures from WW2 to date are all entirely ours and nothing to do with being an EU member, as all the successful EU members prove beyond any possible doubt.
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Are you mad France and Spain has crippling issues like ourselves and huge debts. The EU has been a huge disaster for many countries of Europe. What do you mean continued failures, just because we leave the EU it doesn't mean the industries return in a puff of smoke or the huge burden of debt disappears. This is not something debatable surely. Everything is recorded at the office of national statistics. The decline in industry since joining the EU, the huge payments to the EU and the cost of imports increasing. Seems madness to use the unemployed as somehow a case for your argument. So the EU destroyed our industries causing huge unemployment but according to your logic the problem is the unemployed themselves. So we had good employment until we joined the EU and then our industries died because we couldn't compete in the EU and then somehow its the unemployed's fault?
It's madness to open a free trade agreement to a market you can't compete with when your currency is too strong, its madness to send huge payments outside the UK and its madness to be restricted in what you can buy when those restrictions benefit other countries not yourself. This is so simple to understand I can't understand how anyone can argue against it when the statistics are recorded so clearly at the office of national statistics.
Ultimately we are now just a small country without an empire, politics has to operate in the interest of the people and we have to be protected from ourselves and our huge level of imports. We have to balance the books and start making our country more difficult for imports and create more assets within our own country. It is clear to any reasonable logical person that the EU was a huge disaster for the UK as its backed up by a huge number of statistics across all parts fo the economy. This isn't debatable to any logical person.
To rejoin the EU will lead to even higher build up of debts towards £3 trillion maybe £4 trillion or even £5 trillion over time. It will be absolutely crippling with horrific poverty that we haven't seen for generations. It's absolute madness to consider it. The UK is in a very damaged state and needs some isolation and independent policies to go into repair mode. At this point we have to focus on returning to a trade surplus which cannot be done within the EU as they will continue to dictate hugely damaging policies to us and push their own products. We have lost a huge amount of skills and industrial capacity.
How on earth would we correct the economy in the EU? What policies do you propose to restore a trading surplus and stop borrowing. I just can't see how any logical person would ever suggest rejoining the EU. I know of no logical ways we can repair our economy within the EU unless we half our pay rate or do some other drastic measures so we can compete in Europe.
Lets say we are less productive and more lazy as your unemployed jibe hinted well that in itself would show surely we are not suitable for the EU because we cannot compete in that marketplace so have to be protected from it. It's clear we cannot compete in the EU every statistic shows that and if you are implying we are lazy etc then your argument is we must leave the EU. The only reason to join the EU is surely we will do well in it and profit from it but not even you with your warped and strange logic would go that far surely when every bit of data shows that is untrue. If we failed because of our own incompetence that means surely we are incapable of competing in that marketplace. I just don't get your point of view it seems politically or idealistically motivated with zero logic behind it.
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