April 22, 201312 yr Now announced that ex MP Chris Huhne and ex wife Vicky Pryce are to be released on tags after just eight weeks of their eight month sentences, once again a quarter of their sentences when "ordinary" people have to serve a minimum of a half. No tag period has been specified so I'm betting they'll be off very quickly too. So they join the other notables and celebrities getting favoured treatments, the Lords Archer, Taylor and Hanningfield, MP Jim Devine, Ernest Saunders and Anthony Worrall-Thompson et al. Link to previous post on this subject.
April 22, 201312 yr I don't understand what they expect to achieve with the tags. Is there a risk that they'll go and mug an old lady or rob the local Tescos? Send them back to jail to be punished for what they did!
April 22, 201312 yr Greater love hath no woman than this, that a woman lay down her licence for his points - John ch15.13
April 23, 201312 yr This country does get its panties in a knot over some pretty silly things though - posturing with prison for points shifting and the like. Whether they're high profile or not the underlying "crimes" are all too petty for me to get in any way excited about. Next it'll be community service for forgetting to tell DVLA you moved in the last month. Get a blooming grip. Meanwhile, burglars, drug dealers and violent criminals are getting off with suspended sentences and fines amounting to slaps on the wrist. Easy targets get disproportionately harsh punishments in UK on a grand scale. So quite frankly if they let them out early imho it's probably appropriate - as they should never have been sent to jail in the first place. Hulme and Price likely lost more that mattered to them (credibility, cash and all the rest) than a spell in the nick could ever top. Let's face it getting released on tag means they now have to pay their blooming Council Tax again - which is likely worse than free bed & board courtesy of HMP
April 23, 201312 yr the bed and board is the the only thing that's free in jail Alex!:) Aye, but at least there are jobs in there (which is more than can be said for when people come out !) ...
April 23, 201312 yr you know there is so much free and empty land up here in the hills and the bogs . It would never be easy, but I wonder sometimes about the cities and the people in them. I was there myself once (and have to say it was good- no hill people!)
April 23, 201312 yr Aye, but at least there are jobs in there (which is more than can be said for when people come out !) ... ....not something Chris H need ever worry about.
April 23, 201312 yr Perverting the course of justice is a serious offence, descended from ancient Common Law. Treat it with respect! It doesn’t exist in France; even the notion is untranslatable!
April 23, 201312 yr Author This country does get its panties in a knot over some pretty silly things though - posturing with prison for points shifting and the like. Whether they're high profile or not the underlying "crimes" are all too petty for me to get in any way excited about. Next it'll be community service for forgetting to tell DVLA you moved in the last month. Get a blooming grip. I agree Alex, but it's the inconsistency and favouring of establishment figures that I object to. Whether harshly or gently applied, it should only be one law for all.
April 23, 201312 yr This country does get its panties in a knot over some pretty silly things though - posturing with prison for points shifting and the like. Whether they're high profile or not the underlying "crimes" are all too petty for me to get in any way excited about. Next it'll be community service for forgetting to tell DVLA you moved in the last month. Get a blooming grip. Meanwhile, burglars, drug dealers and violent criminals are getting off with suspended sentences and fines amounting to slaps on the wrist. Easy targets get disproportionately harsh punishments in UK on a grand scale. So quite frankly if they let them out early imho it's probably appropriate - as they should never have been sent to jail in the first place. Hulme and Price likely lost more that mattered to them (credibility, cash and all the rest) than a spell in the nick could ever top. Let's face it getting released on tag means they now have to pay their blooming Council Tax again - which is likely worse than free bed & board courtesy of HMP You need to think a bit more deeply than this. The term, "points shifting" trivialises what has taken place. Hulme has attempted to alter the course of the law through lies and deceipt. Although the original offence of speeding and accruing 3 points isn't the crime of the century, attempting to steer the law in your favour by using calculated deceit and cheating is serious. The justice system in this country has many faults, but on the whole, it's not bad and when compared to some countries it is something worth upholding and supporting. The actions of worthless filth such as Hulme needs to be punished. What he did is an affront to all of us. The man is a total disgrace and I've just picked up something better than him with a poop scoop.
April 23, 201312 yr You need to think a bit more deeply than this. The term, "points shifting" trivialises what has taken place. Hulme has attempted to alter the course of the law through lies and deceipt. Although the original offence of speeding and accruing 3 points isn't the crime of the century, attempting to steer the law in your favour by using calculated deceit and cheating is serious. The justice system in this country has many faults, but on the whole, it's not bad and when compared to some countries it is something worth upholding and supporting. The actions of worthless filth such as Hulme needs to be punished. What he did is an affront to all of us. The man is a total disgrace and I've just picked up something better than him with a poop scoop. He only did what half the country have been doing for years. I can think of at least 10 people I have known who have point swapped over the years, mums, dads and teens. Makes no difference to anyone other that the person about to lose his or her licence along with his job and ability to support his family. I would not think twice about swapping if it meant I could keep food on the table. He was guilty of running a few miles an hour over the limit, many people do. No harm done. Received the dreaded persecution notice and for what ever reason took the same course of action as many do. That's what you get when you back people into a corner over nothing.
April 23, 201312 yr Greater love hath no woman than this, that a woman lay down her licence for his points - John ch15.13 "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned," William Congreve 17th century playwright
April 23, 201312 yr That's what you get when you back people into a corner over nothing. ^^ This. British "justice" is not proportionate in many areas. Mind you, to put into perspective a little known fact is that over 4,500 cyclists in Poland were jailed last year for riding their bicycles whilst over the alcohol limit - which is the same as for cars. Their limit is 0.02% as compared to our 0.08% and so cycling at just below our legal limit there might easily lead to a long spell in a Polish prison cell being 4 times theirs. Even a pint or less could lead to a short spell inside. I wonder how many of our pub-going Members consider that they would be committing a crime deserving of a prison sentence, criminal record for 11 years, denial of entry into many countries in the world and likely loss of potential future job prospects of any reasonable sort after having a pint of lager in the pub and cycling home ? No wonder the Poles have been flocking here in those numbers over recent years "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned," William Congreve 17th century playwright Indeed so - and sometimes the rage and fury can consume the woman as well as the man in the process ! Edited April 24, 201312 yr by 103Alex1
April 23, 201312 yr the bed and board is the the only thing that's free in jail Alex!:) Aye, but at least there are jobs in there (which is more than can be said for when people come out !) ... Very low paid jobs though, their wages for the week are at the low end of double figures. There's even a small charge for the television too.
April 24, 201312 yr He only did what half the country have been doing for years. I can think of at least 10 people I have known who have point swapped over the years, mums, dads. That's fine if people are comfortable bringing their children up to lie and cheat in order to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. I note that you know at least 10 such people.
April 24, 201312 yr That's fine if people are comfortable bringing their children up to lie and cheat in order to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. I note that you know at least 10 such people. I could not wish for a better, more genuine circle of friends. All 10 of them. Life is full of all sorts. Liars, cheats and muggers. Some even claim to be saints.
April 24, 201312 yr I could not wish for a better, more genuine circle of friends. All 10 of them. Life is full of all sorts. Liars, cheats and muggers. Some even claim to be saints. It's all relative.
April 24, 201312 yr I would not think twice about swapping if it meant I could keep food on the table. . So you wouldn't think twice? really? Even though you now know, as this case proved, that you're risking jail and you're asking your wife, girlfriend or someone else to risk jail just because you want to avoid 3 points on your licence? BTW you don't lose your licence or job for 3 points, if you've been caught enough times to lose your licence maybe you should re-think your driving habits.
April 24, 201312 yr So you wouldn't think twice? really? Even though you now know, as this case proved, that you're risking jail and you're asking your wife, girlfriend or someone else to risk jail just because you want to avoid 3 points on your licence? BTW you don't lose your licence or job for 3 points, if you've been caught enough times to lose your licence maybe you should re-think your driving habits. Yes, that right. I would not think twice. There was a time that I had 9 points. I did not choose to swap points, it was time become office based, get out of the car and have a easy life. At the time, I was driving 90'000 mile per year. All points picked up on motorways over a 30 month period. I drove over 360'000 miles in that job both in the UK and across Europe. Not a single accident, not even a small bump. My driving was absolutely fine. Points were an occupational hazard for all of us. Like I have already stated, back people into a corner and not everyone will accept what's thrown at them. It won't be long before we can't pass wind without a penalty and some sort of points. I hope Chris Hulme, takes a nice vacation asap and then gets on with his life.
April 24, 201312 yr Whatever. You're not the only person who has had to drive long miles for work. I know you're probably just 'keyboard' talking and I hope you never find yourself in the situation where you're asking you wife to risk jail because you can't drive at the speed limit.
April 24, 201312 yr Worth looking at driving ban insurance which gives you a chauffeur in the event of a totting up ban if points accumulated are significant. Staggered how many people don't know it's available. Makes a lot more sense than point swapping. Used to drive very significant mileage before car went. Can say I've never had a single point on my licence - albeit getting pulled over on the motorway once and ticked off with a warning for doing 99mph was perhaps a very lucky break. Those blasted unmarked 4x4 jobbies !! The more you drive the more you risk especially work-related and with deadlines and commitments. Edited April 24, 201312 yr by 103Alex1
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