Non Presteigne 2010 chatter

[Straylight]

I've found that with the Bafang motor, the weight issue isn't a relevant as it may first appear. I often ride with a pannier that is as least as heavy as my 14Ah battery, and the difference between this and riding with no luggage is hardly appreciable,apart from on steep gradients.

Admittedly, I live in a rather flat area of the country, but even in EA we have some hills and that the possibility exists that the high current delivery and slower voltage decline of the larger battery may also go some way to explaining my observation. It'll be interesting to see how the Dapu unit compares in the wild when the owner reviews start coming through.

With regard to the marketing stratergy, I think it's nice to hear how the existing models are being refined and improved, as say if you had a friend with a 905, and maybe tried it out, then you might be more temped to buy your own with some new enhancements, as you would already have some frame of reference. This also adds confidence that you are buying a good brand, and that your purchase won't feel obselete in terms of it's technology in a couple of years.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Eloquent

Could it be the other way around ? => Wisper advertizes the 14A battery as "standard", which then justifies (rightly-so) a higher-end price tag, which in turn attracts the kind of potential buyers that are more "aware" about false-economy (i.e. people who are financially more "comfortable" to accept a £ premium in order to avoid disappointment further down the line).



From a business perspective, isn't the bottom line "market placement" ? If Wisper e-bikes were advertized with the lower-capacity batteries as "standard", the substantially lower price tag would put them in the price bracket of lower (perceived) quality or less renowned brands...therefore creating confusion in the market place or at least delivering a skewed message.

Another argument is the fact that any product with a "Unique Selling Point" will inevitably stand-out amongst competitors. A high-capacity high-quality long-life battery as standard is a desirable feature, which when associated with the right kind of purchase incentive (e.g. decent warranty, first-class support) can effectively turn a "desire to own" into a concrete sale

Thoughts ?

Absolutely my thoughts Dan hence the better battery as standard, your reasoning on paper is simply more eloquent than mine!

All the best and thanks!

David

 

[themutiny]

Hi eTim

You mention removing the batteries to save weight, bear in mind you can also remove the wheel with the motor and replace with the standard wheel (Mark sells them), thereby saving another 2kg and givingyou effectively the standard bike.

With regards range, I achieved 65miles on 2 batteries, cycling from south London to Brighton.

Of course there are times when I do need more assist, so I use the eZee

regards,

Nick

 

[Andy_82]

All our bikes are priced with the 14A battery which as you say has more power than most people require, as a matter of interest the 9A Wispers are £200.00 cheaper than the 14A which is what makes Wisper bikes seem to be expensive. The reason we advertise the bike at the 14A price is because 90% of our customers buy the bikes with the large battery.



David

Hi David,

Yes that is so interesting that 90% of people buy a larger battery pack and probably 90% of those 90% don't do a trips longer than 30 miles a day. It's just a perception of people who desire something that they will never use. The consumer purchase behaviour is so interesting and the way we do our shopping. This why I'm doing my dissertation project this year on consumer behaviour.

 

[flecc]

Yes that is so interesting that 90% of people buy a larger battery pack and probably 90% of those 90% don't do a trips longer than 30 miles a day.

Knowledgable buyers like many in this forum will be aware that an oversize battery lasts very much longer and gives a better high power delivery, so that will influence that choice in many cases. Both Nick (TheMutiny) and I have noticed how the eZee 14 Ah lithium battery gives a big boost to the power of eZee models compared with the lithium 10 Ah one. The smaller batteries can tend to starve the current delivery.

At any one time we get around twice as many visitors as members in this forum, so many will pick up on this kind of information and increase the number making informed buying choices.
.

 

[eTim]

Hi eTim

With regards range, I achieved 65miles on 2 batteries, cycling from south London to Brighton.

Cheers Nick, you've just given me something to aim for, I guess the London/Brighton has a few ups and downs of the rolling variety rather than the short, sharp steeps we have around here. Hmmm, time to get the map out, I can feel a year of cycling coming on.

Tim.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Hi David,

Yes that is so interesting that 90% of people buy a larger battery pack and probably 90% of those 90% don't do a trips longer than 30 miles a day. It's just a perception of people who desire something that they will never use. The consumer purchase behaviour is so interesting and the way we do our shopping. This why I'm doing my dissertation project this year on consumer behaviour.

I find the whole marketing process fascinating Andy, I have a friend with a Ferrari F4 who never drives at more than 90mph, why buy a Ferrari?

Good luck with the dissertation, I would love to get a peak when it's done? My Daughter is home from Leeds this week making a start on hers so I understand the pressure!

All the best

David

 

[Andy_82]

I find the whole marketing process fascinating Andy, I have a friend with a Ferrari F4 who never drives at more than 90mph, why buy a Ferrari?

Yes that is excellent example of amazing consumer behaviour. Why to get a Ferrari if you don't exceed 90mph. Well, hopefully we'll find out one day, say good luck to your daughter with her project

 

[eddieo]

Gut wrenching exhilaration and handling, plus the adoring gazes of all in sundry may have something to do with it

A friend had the AM volante last year, V12 6 litre or so, it was a real experience. traded it in for Bentley continental (another convertible) beautiful car but the Aston was my favourite

 

[themutiny]

Cheers Nick, you've just given me something to aim for, I guess the London/Brighton has a few ups and downs of the rolling variety rather than the short, sharp steeps we have around here. Hmmm, time to get the map out, I can feel a year of cycling coming on.

Tim.

Hi Tim

Since we're both in Hampshire, maybe we could meet up for a ride some time?

Synapses only though, since a super six would be an unfair advantage!!

Cheers,
Nick

 

[themutiny]

while cytronex use beautiful road bikes, I think the range is the only question mark. The "Wired" 4 bike test/review (which the capo won incidentaly) Said this regards the cytronex.

"But judging battery capacity caused us to worry – there’s no power indicator, and we felt a loss of power at the end of our route"

This was on a 14 mile London route. the wisper 906 (2nd) was only a little slower in acceleration (5.42 and wisper 5.64 0-15mph) Capo better top speed (26.1 and wisper 21.9) But the wisper in full power mode still had half its battery capacity left.....

http://www.cytronex.com/reviews/WiredCapoReveiw.pdf

Shame they got the battery technology for the Cytronex wrong

Oh, and WiredCapoReveiw. Sorry to be a pedant... v is not a c no matter how much it wants to be ;-)

 

[daniel.weck]

Why to get a Ferrari if you don't exceed 90mph

Well for a start, the national speed limit seems like a good reason not to drive at 90mph, let alone beyond that

More to the point though: a Ferrari F40 is one of the last true driver's cars, with no creature comforts, raw acceleration, terrific noise and pure handling. It's a boy's dream in the flesh, and there's no need to go fast to appreciate the fun of it (in fact, you could just stand next to it and still "enjoy" signing the enormous bills for parts maintenance, servicing, insurance, petrol costs, etc. )

 

[Artstu]

This F4 should be cheaper to run

YouTube - Ferrari F4

 

[daniel.weck]

This F4 should be cheaper to run

YouTube - Ferrari F4

Ah...F430...I thought it was a typo (missing zero to F4)...well, not as exclusive as an F40, but far more usable...and cheaper indeed (and dare I say: more environmentally-friendly as well )

 

[eddieo]

More to the point though: a Ferrari F40 is one of the last true driver's cars, with no creature comforts, raw acceleration, terrific noise and pure handling. It's a boy's dream in the flesh, and there's no need to go fast to appreciate the fun of it

The only way I know, that you can ejaculate without touching yourself

(please no other suggestions)

 

[Andy_82]

Well for a start, the national speed limit seems like a good reason not to drive at 90mph, let alone beyond that

More to the point though: a Ferrari F40 is one of the last true driver's cars, with no creature comforts, raw acceleration, terrific noise and pure handling. It's a boy's dream in the flesh, and there's no need to go fast to appreciate the fun of it (in fact, you could just stand next to it and still "enjoy" signing the enormous bills for parts maintenance, servicing, insurance, petrol costs, etc.

yeah right Daniel,

I'm sure you would be driving according to the national speed limit 70mph max

when I went to Brands Hatch in Kent the other day for Ferrari Owners Club day we used to drive old F348 at more than 90mph (please don't think that i own one) and believe me that the grin on your face make you so happy after.

And BTW the rules are to break them, sorry for my youngster attitude but i'm only 27 and do my best to behave well on the road.

 

[eTim]

Hi Tim

Since we're both in Hampshire, maybe we could meet up for a ride some time?

Synapses only though, since a super six would be an unfair advantage!!

Cheers,
Nick

Oh definitely - maybe a Southern meet if anyone else is around. My Synapse has the 190 motor the S6 has the 175 (is it 175?), so I will be cheating either way

 

[Lloyd]

Well for a start, the national speed limit seems like a good reason not to drive at 90mph, let alone beyond that

More to the point though: a Ferrari F40 is one of the last true driver's cars, with no creature comforts, raw acceleration, terrific noise and pure handling. It's a boy's dream in the flesh, and there's no need to go fast to appreciate the fun of it (in fact, you could just stand next to it and still "enjoy" signing the enormous bills for parts maintenance, servicing, insurance, petrol costs, etc. )

There are plenty of other 'drivers cars' out there still, TVR Tuscan/cerbera springs to mind as the obvious . No computer-aided traction control, no stupid ABS, no booooooring launch control. Hell you even have to wind your windows down by hand. Now THAT is a car!

 

[NRG]

Non Presteigne 2010 chatter: Hmmm...hail stones hurt!

Got caught in a downpour yesterday and I was covered up well except for parts of my face...its hurts at 17mph! Luckily I did have my riding glasses with me so the eyes where spared!

Good to see manufacturers taking on Li Polymer batteries now. I've had no problems with mine so far (touch wood) and they should give many many cycles if treated within the DOD and voltage limits the ES guys set out....

 

[themutiny]

Oh definitely - maybe a Southern meet if anyone else is around. My Synapse has the 190 motor the S6 has the 175 (is it 175?), so I will be cheating either way

Hi Tim

Sounds like a plan. I'll PM you when it warms up a bit. I've got a faster motor too (and a slower one) So faster Synapses it is?

Happy to throw it open, but experience suggests that this will meet with limited success!

If you're in Andover, and I'm in Denmead, Winchester might be a good place to meet. We could test ride the new Cannondales at the same time

Cheers,

Nick