New Test For Immigrants.

According to sky news today, the goverment is introducing a new multi choice test this year. Instead of concentrating on everyday life in Britain, the new test is more slanted in favour of British culture and history, with a a pass mark set at 75%. Some of the questions are not easy, I admit that I could not answer all of them.

Personally, I feel that we are already overwhelmed with immigrants. For the sake of simplicity, I would propose a new test consisting of just two questions.

 

1. How many people attended the closing ceremony of the Olympic Games?

 

2. Please list their names, ocuupations, addresses , and telephone numbers.:o

What has this got to do with electric cycles and may I suggest that you keep your opinions regarding immigrants to yourself.

Hold on, someone is going to get banned here!!

@Geezee74. This section of the forum is for matters not connected to ebikes. My post was not racist, as I did not name a particular race. I have every right to express my opinions on any subject. You do not have to agree with them, or even read them. Last time I looked, we still had freedom of speech, allegedly.

Immigration is a hot topic now, I don't see why Neptune has to do an "Emperor's clothes Act"

In view of any controversy that I may have generated, I feel the need to say a few words about my opinions on immigration. Every day, I meet and interact with immigrants. It would be very difficult not to, as in the town where I live, I am a member of an ethnic minority, namely, the English. I have friends who are immigrants. I treat people as they treat me, and am never rude or unpleasant to people because of their origins.

In spite of all this, there comes a time to limit immigration. If we do not, then this small island that is our home is in danger of sinking into the sea, due to the shear weight of humanity. My views are shared by many politicians, plenty of ordinary people, and indeed some immigrants. Not everyone will agree with me, and I defend their right to express their opinions, just as I reserve the right to express mine. The joke I made in my first post was perhaps in poor taste, but it was just that, a joke. In the words of Forrest Gump, " That is all I have to say about that."

What has this got to do with electric cycles and may I suggest that you keep your opinions regarding immigrants to yourself.

 

Neptune posted in the forum shown below, headed in this way:

 

Forum: The Charging Post

 

A place to recharge your batteries, meet new friends and talk about things not specifically related to electric bikes.

 

Although I very strongly disagree with that expressed opinion on this subject, he's entitled to express it there, whether humorously or seriously.

Immigration is a hot topic now, I don't see why Neptune has to do an "Emperor's clothes Act"

 

About 800 years ago my family were immigrants too - are we English yet?

Tom, timidly ...

So I guess Voltaire would be excluded from tending to my Mother in her care home?

 

I would hope we can see the wood for the trees, often obfuscated by the need of the tabloid press to use up the forest.

Like Tom, I am unsure how long it takes to refer to 'this country' as ours. My great Grandad moved here at the turn of the century, so perhaps I should pack my wife and kids and move to Russia.

I cannot abide the arrogant attitude which allows people to believe they have a divine right to a country simply because they have had the fortune of being born in a country which is both well developed and wealthy.

Are we not all residents of the one planet?

 

As far as I can see, it is nothing to do with being from a different country, more to do with the fact that any countries infrastructure and physical space can only accommodate a finite number of persons.

 

Overstep this finite limit an stresses occur.

Do you feel aggrieved that you could not live in Australia or America if you wished , or do you just accept that is the way they run their countries.

Not to mention that far more of England´s problems (and the US, Germany, Spain, etc etc) are caused by the wealthy, than by poor immigrants. It is much easier for them to use their vast media control to point fingers at "others" to make the poor fight among themselves, when a poor white english-person has far more in common with a poor recently immigrated pakistani than they ever will with the neo-feudal-lords parading as policitians, bankers, and media owners.

Not to mention that far more of England´s problems (and the US, Germany, Spain, etc etc) are caused by the wealthy, than by poor immigrants. It is much easier for them to use their vast media control to point fingers at "others" to make the poor fight among themselves, when a poor white english-person has far more in common with a poor recently immigrated pakistani than they ever will with the neo-feudal-lords parading as policitians, bankers, and media owners.

 

Have you considered why those neo-feudal Lords etc. support immigration?

Just so they can get richer at your expense.

They take the profits, we have to spread even thinner the little we have.

Have you considered why those neo-feudal Lords etc. support immigration?

Just so they can get richer at your expense.

They take the profits, we have to spread even thinner the little we have.

 

The truth is more nuanced than "support immigration". If you meant, support bringing in foreigners who have only the barest of legal (if any) and social support, so they can get ultra cheap labor, sure yes, but if you mean support reasonable immigration policies that allow for immigrants to actually integrate, than no, they don't.

 

For example in the US, they want immigrants to come in illegally so they have no recourse when paid below minimum wage. In the UK, they want immigrants to come and work cheaply, but they don't want them to integrate, so they create an US vs THEM mentality among the rest of the proles so the immigrants have to live in the ****tiest neighborhoods and jobs, thereby depressing wages.

 

No country has "little" overall, it's only a "little" when you look at the division allowed to the 99%. If wealth inequality would be tackled in earnest, there would be more than enough to go around. Do you really think if magically every immigrant were gone tomorrow, that your wages would increase? Psshaw. Some new tactic would be invented to destroy wages of the working man so the fat cats on top could keep more of the pie.

Och, up here in sunny Argyll the english immigration problem has yet to reach crisis proportions and they are generally treated with kindness and understanding as befits their "refugee" status. Most seem to be old and jobless but well enough off presumeably due to the treasure they have looted from the 'old country.' So long as they keep their morris dancing and fox hunting obsessions hidden away from public view, I for one find no harm in them.

O'i .... less of that

Like Tom, I am unsure how long it takes to refer to 'this country' as ours. My great Grandad moved here at the turn of the century, so perhaps I should pack my wife and kids and move to Russia.

I cannot abide the arrogant attitude which allows people to believe they have a divine right to a country simply because they have had the fortune of being born in a country which is both well developed and wealthy.

 

That's not what is being said and you very well know that to be the case. It's usual for people to use this or an acustation of racism to counter the fact that people are coming to this country having never paid a penny into any of its welfare, health or infrastructure, and then taking to the detriment of those who have sacrificed and contributed. So attractive is this seemingly bottomless pit of goodies that foreign nationals are prepared to engage in sham marriage, fraud and even life threatening activities to get here, often travelling through many other wealthier lands on the way.

 

The fact is, this country is a soft touch. It's also an overcrowded country and the population needs to be reduced. Hospitals, education, policing and just about every other service is overwhelmed and we are all paying for it through wage freezes, low interest rates, theft of pensions, quantitative easing and other covert theft of wealth.

i would love to move to france, i wonder if they will throw in a five bedroom house,give me lots of benefits so that i can sit in it doing nothing with £25,000 plopping into my bank account annually (figures for example only) with free Nhs care while i have put nothing into their country,no particular race,colour or nationallity, just supposed people who the government say are adding to ours. I pay my taxes and get screwed for even more.I would gladly donate more to charity and good causes than i do if my country didn't treat me like a mug.

Even more so the brave soldiers who fight for our country loosing life and limbs who are screwed even more than i am.

Also the Nurses who are underpaid and overworked and are contsantly crucified if anything goes wrong.

Lets get the UK right before we give freebies to anyone who asks.....

I'm sure both of you can provide actual statistics for your claims of abuse, rather than daily mail articles. One would hate to think you were so angry over imagined slights.

Whilst I would like to have a significant limit on immigration I don't believe that most of those coming in are a drain on the economy. Traditionally 1st generation immigrants have always been the hardest section of the community, you only have to see that 80% (or similar ?) of new jobs have gone to immigrants as most of them come in with a strong work/family ethic.

 

I see the problem is that the infrastructure can not easily support an increased population ~ just look at the housing crisis.

In Sweden the taxes are far higher than anywhere else in Europe to pay for their excellent universal welfare (better than ours in the UK), and they do have a very large proportion of immigrants.

 

The Swedes are reported to be the happiest citizens with their governance in Europe, showing that immigration, high quality universal welfare and contentment is possible.

 

There is one crucial difference from the UK, Swedish executive pay is very much lower than most places in the world and proportional to that of their workers, so with the fairness obvious, envy has no place there.

 

The UK's governments must stop propagating the lie that obscene executive pay levels are necessary to be competitive, and also put an end to the equally obscene imbalance of wealth and land ownership in Britain. We've got the space and the money, but most of us don't have the access to either.

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Edited February 1, 201313 yr by flecc

How can you provide statistics when thousands of illegal immigrants have entered this country and are no longer tracked so they can be removed,one of which killed an 8 year old girl 3 miles from where i live and they cannot be deported because they have supposed family in this country.

Tell that to her mother and father !

Sorry,incorrect fact, the girl was 12.

 

Dad of Blackburn girl killed by illegal immigrant backs criticism of UK Border Agency (From Lancashire Telegraph)

In Sweden the taxes are far higher than anywhere else in Europe to pay for their excellent universal welfare (better than ours in the UK), and they do have a very large proportion of immigrants.

 

The Swedes are reported to be the happiest citizens with their governance in Europe, showing that immigration, high quality universal welfare and contentment is possible.

 

There is one crucial difference from the UK, Swedish executive pay is very much lower than most places in the world and proportional to that of their workers, so with the fairness obvious, envy has no place there.

 

The UK's governments must stop propagating the lie that obscene executive pay levels are necessary to be competitive, and also put an end to the equally obscene imbalance of wealth and land ownership in Britain. We've got the space and the money, but most of us don't have the access to either.

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The problem in Sweden is that there's so few people and so much free space that the Swedes get fed up not having anybody to talk to. No wonder they welcome a few immigrants. Not quite the same here. And do they have 25% youth unemployment?

 

To me, it makes a bit more sense to invite immigrants when you have job vacancies and nobody to fill them, not just open the floodgates and hope that the situation will sort itself out.