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One of the worst aspects of the web is the way it's polluted with idiots like this, giving wholly misleading information to promote a personal agenda, in this case his anti e-car agenda.Note that the *only* "dangerously high" readings were obtained in London underground where only *electric* trains run.
The nature of the pollution in the London Underground system is entirely different from that above ground so is not comparable. It's exacerbated by the system's old design who never provided for adequate air conditioning and filtration. Underground it's the brake dust particulates that dominate, above ground those are insignificant compared to the exhaust gas pollutants.
And he is wrong to claim that the only dangerously high levels were in the Underground system. London has long had many dangerously high zones of traffic pollution, even in my own fringe borough adjacent to the Surrey countryside there are zones that have resulted in EU fines for breaching danger levels. Those and others like them are precisely why we are getting the ULEZ zone controls.
The problem isn't imaginary, the data shows that several thousands in London die prematurely each year from air pollution and London is the only place I know of there are coroners findings, on the evidence, of childrens deaths definitely due to traffic air pollution. Killing children to satisfy the cravings of fanatical petrolheads is never going to be acceptable.
And of course the idiocy of the petrolheads campaigning is that they imagine they can stop the adoption of electric vehicles in place of i.c. ones. That is long lost battle:
There are now over 1.2 million plug in electric cars in the UK, numbers growing exponentially.
At the end of 2016 just 0.4% of all new vehicles registered were electric, by 2022 this had risen to 16.6% of new car registrations. A further 6.3% of all new cars registered were plug-in hybrids, making the total market share for new cars registered in 2022 with a plug-in 22.9%.
By the end of this year a quarter of our car sales will be plug-in, and that expanding exponentially. There's similar rapid growth in the adoption of electric vans. All over this country electric buses are being adopted, nowhere more spectacularly than here in London where we now only buy zero emission buses, battery electric for most routes and hydrogen fuel cell for the few longer routes. We now have major truck manufacturers like Volvo and Renault offering ranges of e-trucks from 7.5 tonnes to 40 tonne capable tractor units for Artics
Nor are we alone, some are far ahead of us. Over six years ago Norway's new car registrations exceeded 50% electric and their entire national car fleet is now 86.8% electric, spelling out the imminent death of i.c. cars there.
In Denmark they are far advanced in using e-car owners batteries to support the grid, V to G being something being planned for many countries, including the UK, as part of tackling climate change.
Those who think all this can be stopped by online protests are out of their tiny minds.
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He says the ELITech TemTop LKC1000S+ claims to measure "HCHO (Formaldehyde) mg/m³, TVOC (Total Volatile Organic Compounds) mg/m³ as well as PM2.5, PM10, AQI",
Not just particulates.
Maybe some London based members can get one and measure *rigourously* for themselves on the A41 Finchley rd on a dry sunny day with plenty traffic?
By the way..
One YT commenter revealed his supercharged 4.2L Range Rover was somehow compliant. Could it be because a certain public official drives around in that *particular* model? Hehe
www.temtop.co.uk
Not just particulates.
Maybe some London based members can get one and measure *rigourously* for themselves on the A41 Finchley rd on a dry sunny day with plenty traffic?
By the way..
One YT commenter revealed his supercharged 4.2L Range Rover was somehow compliant. Could it be because a certain public official drives around in that *particular* model? Hehe
Temtop LKC-1000S+ 2nd Air Quality Monitor for PM2.5 PM10 HCHO AQI Particles VOCs Humidity Temperature, Date Dxport
10-IN-1 AIR QUALITY DETECTOR - Measures PM2.5, PM10, particles, HCHO(formaldehyde), TVOC, AQI, temperature, humidity. Data export and recording histogram display. ACCURATE & LONG LAST SENSOR - With our latest 3rd generation Temtop laser particle sensor and optimized PSO algorithm, particle...
www.temtop.co.uk
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I didn't claim it was just particulates in the underground, just that it is over whelmingly brake particulates. That is the opposite of the position on the roads, where brake particulates as a proportion of pollution are low, and decreasing with every additional e-vehicle, since they use motor braking for much of their deceleration.
I don't need to get one of those testers and check for myself. My brain alone is more than up to the job, unlike that of the anti e-car twerps like him. Just like the dinosaurs of the past, these present tribute acts will soon be extinct.
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He says the ELITech TemTop LKC1000S+ claims to measure "HCHO (Formaldehyde) mg/m³, TVOC (Total Volatile Organic Compounds) mg/m³ as well as PM2.5, PM10, AQI",
Not just particulates.
Maybe some London based members can get one and measure *rigourously* for themselves on the A41 Finchley rd on a dry sunny day with plenty traffic?
By the way..
One YT commenter revealed his supercharged 4.2L Range Rover was somehow compliant. Could it be because a certain public official drives around in that *particular* model? Hehe
Temtop LKC-1000S+ 2nd Air Quality Monitor for PM2.5 PM10 HCHO AQI Particles VOCs Humidity Temperature, Date Dxport
10-IN-1 AIR QUALITY DETECTOR - Measures PM2.5, PM10, particles, HCHO(formaldehyde), TVOC, AQI, temperature, humidity. Data export and recording histogram display. ACCURATE & LONG LAST SENSOR - With our latest 3rd generation Temtop laser particle sensor and optimized PSO algorithm, particle...
But not NOx. I's not just a case of once on a dry sunny day, it's all day, all year round and then looking over the data properly. This has been done and it shows the air in London is bad and something needs to be done about it to prevent premature deaths and other conditions such as Alzheimer's.
Loads of data out there in the public domain. You can see how the pollution is worst along main roads and how bad it is even in the extended ULEZ:
data.london.gov.uk
Air Quality Data – London Datastore
data.london.gov.uk
Bicycles, ebikes, cars, electric cars are not green, it's a question of which uses less materials / manufacturing and is better for the environment.
I would rather cycle behind an electric car but it does not mean it is green as damage is done to the environment in its manufacturing process.
It's just that we don't smell, hear the damage, we forgot about all the damage done with battery production and how this affects people's lives
Cars have their place in our lives and people buy what car they can afford.
I have this type of discussion with my friends and the issue I have is the over promotion of the positives of the green agenda but no mention of the negatives.
By limiting traffic in one area then increases traffic in another area, limiting parking in a city / town centre moves the shopping to big out of town complexes.
We do what we can to help make the world a better place, can we all improve, probably, can we all afford to do more, no.
I would rather cycle behind an electric car but it does not mean it is green as damage is done to the environment in its manufacturing process.
It's just that we don't smell, hear the damage, we forgot about all the damage done with battery production and how this affects people's lives
Cars have their place in our lives and people buy what car they can afford.
I have this type of discussion with my friends and the issue I have is the over promotion of the positives of the green agenda but no mention of the negatives.
By limiting traffic in one area then increases traffic in another area, limiting parking in a city / town centre moves the shopping to big out of town complexes.
We do what we can to help make the world a better place, can we all improve, probably, can we all afford to do more, no.
UK firm's Range Rover resto-mod gets ULEZ-compliant V8 | Autocar
Kingsley Cars' take on the pre-1981 Range Rover brings modern tech and optional sports suspension
They've wasted their time creating it, the £125,000 it costs is over 27 years of the daily ULEZ charge. Anyone with that kind of money to waste will drive a much better car of their choice and pay the charge, should they still insist on an i.c. one. But that won't be for long before they wake up to how superior an electric car is overall for most people.Just need deep pockets full of green, vroom!UK firm's Range Rover resto-mod gets ULEZ-compliant V8 | Autocar
Kingsley Cars' take on the pre-1981 Range Rover brings modern tech and optional sports suspensionwww.autocar.co.uk
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Four London boroughs have the longest life expectancy in the UK
Live long and prosper, if you live in north or west London
www.timeout.com
Longevity is only partly due to the environment, it's mainly about wealth. The richer in the richest boroughs live longer. The poorer in the poorest boroughs die sooner. It was like that when my parents were born in the 1900s and that hasn't changed since.Four London boroughs have the longest life expectancy in the UK
Live long and prosper, if you live in north or west London
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They look like hybrids to me, not pure battery busesThat can't be good for air quality.
Why are you raking up this historic rubbish? We've had lots of buses burn out in London, most of them diesels. The last to burn here was in January, a solely diesel bus with the fire starting in its rear engine bay.
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"More *efficient* than a bicycle", another bold claim..
Still, it's intriguing
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