It Might Be Legal? But Is It Ethical?

[Ian]

Ian, you're a senior member - so you must have been around for a long time. Can you recall the last time you made a post like the one above?

I don't recall feeling the need to make to make such a remark before Des. In the past I've either found threads either interesting or uninteresting but I find this thread, and a small number of previous threads on a similar subject irritating in the same way that I find all public airing of dirty laundry irritating. If someone has a problem with a supplier then they should approach that supplier privately, only if the matter is not resolved would I consider it acceptable to publicly publish the facts of the dispute.
In this thread allegations have been made against a supplier which are as far as I know are un-proven and could well be deemed to be libellous.

Anyone purchasing goods by mail order has rights which I have tried to detail elsewhere, and as far as I know there is no evidence of any supplier denying a customer those rights, which is why I find five pages of speculation plus various jibes in other threads more than a little tedious and likely to damage the credibility of the forum as a whole.

If you think you've been misled simply exercise your right to a refund.

 

[Django]

The threads reflect the reality of the market. It is up to the dealers and manufacturers to provide a good product and a good service. If they do, they will be praised. If they don't they will, quite properly, be held to account and in being held to account, they will either do better or go under. Look, for example, at Flecc's repeated insistence on this forum that previous generation Ezee lithium batteries were not satisfactory. That was instrumental in improving the quality of the battery and in gaining us the offer of a replacement from the manufacturer.

Blaming those who post misses the true cause of recent tribulations.

I am deeply appreciative of this forum, of Russ for allowing us to use it, of Flecc and many others for their excellent advice and of the opportunity to share in this fledgling community. In the long term, considered criticism can only be a good thing for the customer and the customer is what this place is all about.

Cheers,

Django

 

[flecc]

Look, for example, at Flecc's repeated insistence on this forum that previous generation Ezee lithium batteries were not satisfactory. That was instrumental in improving the quality of the battery and in gaining us the offer of a replacement from the manufacturer.

But I only repeated when it was denied that there was anything wrong with them Django. I didn't keep repeating the complaint without that opposite stimulus. And that's what I've found distasteful at present, the unnecessary repetition and prolongation as I've mentioned and as Ian has also mentioned.

This will most definitely put many off, as it has done me, and I'm quite certain has caused others to not even bother to join us. This consumerist agenda is not only too all pervading these days, it's totally unnecessary. The only specific consumer protection necessary is the protection of competition, which itself becomes all the protection any consumer will ever need, giving them the ultimate power. The rest is bunkum.
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[keithhazel]

In the long term, considered criticism can only be a good thing for the customer and the customer is what this place is all about.

Cheers,

Django[/QUOTE]

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considered criticism is one thing,to hear it once is one thing, but to hear it over and over again in different formatts with different jibes and insults ...is that really needed...are we in need of hearing it again and again....do you think anyone wants to hear it more then once ?????

 

[keithhazel]

dam you get typeing too bloody quick flecc....just one i want to be first without seeing my thoughts have been siphened...lol.....

 

[stokepa31]

Forum - a public meeting or assembly for open discussion.

 

[flecc]

Sorry Keith!

However, there's nothing wrong with a second opinion, much better than the same person's opinion twice or more.
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[keithhazel]

no problem Flecc, i guess the 5000 more posts you have done might have given you the speed typeing edge,but as fast as we and others say we are fed up with this sometimes unpleasant bickering and mudslinging, there is some post hot on out heels back at it...i love looking in at the quirky things people post, the good advice given and the general harmless chitchat.....after all without good advice and reasoning, mostly from you i would definatly not have the bike with which im so pleased with, BUT i have led a life of avoidance of squabling and back biting and im pretty fed up of things to depress me rather then things of enlightenment when i eagerly log back on to see whats happened in the last 10 minutes....the gaps are getting 30-40 minutes now ....a bit like not checking my lottery ticket immediatly after the draw just so i dont see another disapointment.. ..wish we could do what we do with e-mails and block the unwanted posts so they go straight to the rubbish bin and out of sight....thats life eh...

 

[Django]

But I only repeated when it was denied that there was anything wrong with them Django. I didn't keep repeating the complaint without that opposite stimulus.
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Quite right, Flecc, I am getting my threads mixed up. My own cause for repeated complaint is the replacement battery question and the contempt with whch it has been treated. I should keep my comments to threads related to that.

Apologies,

Django

 

[simonbarnett]

Balance

Sorry Keith!

However, there's nothing wrong with a second opinion, much better than the same person's opinion twice or more.
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At the risk of the same person's opinion being heard twice, I think the consumerist angle is perfectly healthy. People often come to the site first for purchase advice, which is consumer based and given freely by Flecc and others. On the back of this Flecc sorted my choices from 3 to a recommended Kalkhoff. Now there's a bit of a delay, which is a pain, but why shouldn't people (especially newcomers) know about it to help their choice?

I don't understand half of the technical stuff on this forum and it leaves me in a curious state between apathy, bewilderment, fascination and astonishment.

Knowledge is power even if you don't act on it, so keep up the full range of topics. Anyway, no-one's suggested a plausible Kalkhoff alternative yet for when I tire of waiting.

 

[flecc]

Quite right, Flecc, I am getting my threads mixed up. My own cause for repeated complaint is the replacement battery question and the contempt with whch it has been treated. I should keep my comments to threads related to that.

Apologies,

Django

Thanks Django, but no call for an apology since there was nothing wrong in your expressed opinion, just some difference between us on the issue.

Jeanette has posted on this replacement battery issue and has had the problem solved for her, so perhaps hers is the suitable course to obtain satisfaction on that.

That said, I think each affected should contact 50cycles individually first to check the availability of the replacement before adopting that course.
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[flecc]

why shouldn't people (especially newcomers) know about it to help their choice?

Of course they should Simon. It's not that but the unpleasant and sometimes even spiteful way in which this debate has been conducted in various threads that makes it objectionable.

I think there's far to much of lately in this forum, and I for one find obsessively conducted consumer complaints sterile and often objectionable. As said, by all means let those affected inform us of a situation for the benefit of all, but otherwise it's a matter between them and their supplier.
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[simonbarnett]

Flecc- I'm more worried for Tony - he's admitted to something called Roboform holding him up in preference to girls' bottoms...

 

[flecc]

Flecc- I'm more worried for Tony - he's admitted to something called Roboform holding him up in preference to girls' bottoms...

Really?

I haven't been following his more base instincts.

Still, the Agattu is a stimulating bike.
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[simonbarnett]

His is called Mandy- presumably not after a labour politician as he's from tunbridge wells

 

[Joe]

if this thread is tedious or boring start a different one and ignore this one until it fizzles out. that would apply to any threads you were not interested in. be it technical threads or consumer specific/supplier specific threads.

if we all truely respect eachothers opinions what is the problem?

50 cycles use this forum, their customers use this forum we are going to hear good and bad as a result.

 

[tgame]

Flecc- I'm more worried for Tony - he's admitted to something called Roboform holding him up in preference to girls' bottoms...

Well, after seventy it's perfectly respectable to be a dirty old man. As long as one looks one's age the girls no longer give one a contemptuous toss of the head, and one even occasionally gets a smile!

 

[Mandy]

His is called Mandy- presumably not after a labour politician as he's from tunbridge wells

Uuh? That's my name? LOL!
Keep calm it will all sort it's self out?
Chill and be happy all leccy bike owners, ok just trying to lighten up the thread, soz flec.
Take your problems to the manufacturers and just inform potential buyers of your results.
Regards
Mandy

 

[Mandy]

Well, after seventy it's perfectly respectable to be a dirty old man. As long as one looks one's age the girls no longer give one a contemptuous toss of the head, and one even occasionally gets a smile!

Ah Bless

I would give you a smile Tony.
You make me smile, lol In your 70's? My goodness! Had no idea you kind of seem younger so nothing wrong with that.
Mandy (The snooty one) LOL
Sorry Flecc am not supposed to be here

 

[flecc]

Sorry Flecc am not supposed to be here

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Where are you supposed to be then?

Somewhere nice I hope.
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