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Nearly 60 years ago as a Boy Scout I regularly wore this knife on my belt. Not only was it legal, but no-one at all was concerned.
Trying to ride these over-powered ebikes as e-bikes not motorcycles is just the same as if I tried to wear this knife and claim it was made of plastic.
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Nearly 60 years ago as a Boy Scout I regularly wore this knife on my belt. Not only was it legal, but no-one at all was concerned.
Trying to ride these over-powered ebikes as e-bikes not motorcycles is just the same as if I tried to wear this knife and claim it was made of plastic.
It is illegal.It's not even the same
Ride a 25mph ebike carefully, with full lights, that looks like a normal bike and show due care and consideration to pedestrians and other road users and you'll pass under the radar undetected. However, ride a 15mph ebike like a cock, cutting up cars and buzzing pedestrians and you'll give all ebikers a bad name.
See the difference? It's called personal responsibility - something some people on here seem happy to sign over to the government.
Will do, thanksIf you want to break the law, go ahead and accept the consequences.
If you collide with anything, you will not be insured and an innocent person could suffer the consequences of your 'personal responsibility'
But this isn't a 25mph Ebike. It's a 40mph Ebike.It's not even the same
Oh and by the way, I have a knife just like that that's always strapped to my belt when I go camping and I don't have any bother.
There is one way the two scenarios are linked though. Act like a dick and make a scene and you'll have problems. Act responsibly, be careful and cautious and no one will bat an eyelid.
Ride a 25mph ebike carefully, with full lights, that looks like a normal bike and show due care and consideration to pedestrians and other road users and you'll pass under the radar undetected. However, ride a 15mph ebike like a cock, cutting up cars and buzzing pedestrians and you'll give all ebikers a bad name.
See the difference? It's called personal responsibility - something some people on here seem happy to sign over to the government.
You don't have to ride it at @ 40mph you know.But this isn't a 25mph Ebike. It's a 40mph Ebike.
You can ride as responsibly as you like, but the pedestrian who steps out in front of you, or the other cyclist who swerves in front of you aren't guaranteed to do so.
Hit one of those at 40mph and you'll kill them, possibly yourself as well.
The fact that the bike can reach speeds of 40mph, does not mean one would venture to ride so fast. The Bugatti Veyron can reach speeds of 258mph, but no normal person would consider driving those speed on the public highways, but they are street legal cars. All the dangers that have been mentioned are not faults of the higher powered bike but of the irresponsibility of the rider, and would be just as dangerous on a limited bike. I find a lot of these WHAT IF scernarios are just as applicable to nonpowered, limited, and highpowered bikes equally.But this isn't a 25mph Ebike. It's a 40mph Ebike.
You can ride as responsibly as you like, but the pedestrian who steps out in front of you, or the other cyclist who swerves in front of you aren't guaranteed to do so.
Hit one of those at 40mph and you'll kill them, possibly yourself as well.
OK, so the conclusion we have come to is that the thing is entirely pointless. It can do over 40mph, but not a single one of us would ever do that.You don't have to ride it at @ 40mph you know.
Just like I don't have to drive my Cosworth at 150mph But there are times when I've had it @ 140mph in a safe and controlled manner
Why, when it could get help some elderly or disabled riders to get up a steep hills at a speed of 15.5.mph with little or no effort at all, Yes?OK, so the conclusion we have come to is that the thing is entirely pointless. It can do over 40mph, but not a single one of us would ever do that.
Might as well save some weight, and remove one of the motors, no?
Lost you there.Why, when it could get help some elderly or disabled riders to get up steep hills at a speed of 15.5.mph with little or no effort at all.
If you have a bike that goes 40mph then it has the power to climb hills etc. Its not all about the speed but the POWER !!Lost you there.
I'm entirely in favour of elderly or disabled riders going up hills at 15.5mph. Sounds splendid.
Yeah, but unless I misunderstood, the Ebay auction and much of this thread is about the speed.If you have a bike that goes 40mph then it has the power to climb hills etc. Its not all about the speed but the POWER !!
Not necessarily, for a given power it's the opposite. The old Torq 1 and the Quando had identical electrics throughout. The motor in the Torq was in a 700c (28") wheel and it powered to 22 mph but with poor hill climbing as a result. The identical motor in the Quando was in a 20" wheel, powered just to 16 mph but is the best legal hill climber bar none.If you have a bike that goes 40mph then it has the power to climb hills etc. Its not all about the speed but the POWER !!
I'd certainly use it @ 40mph (well ok not that one ebcause as you've pointed out I'd want a better bike if I was doing that speed - some kind of beefed up full on DH racer than can take that kind of abuse) but I wouldn't do so weaving between the pedestrians on Blackpool prom on a Bank Holiday afternoon (my own bike is capable of 25mph but I don't go above about 15mph in such circumstances and I give everyone a VERY wide berth even at those speeds) - as with everything there is a time and a place.OK, so the conclusion we have come to is that the thing is entirely pointless. It can do over 40mph, but not a single one of us would ever do that.
Might as well save some weight, and remove one of the motors, no?
Thats based on the 250w motor with all its limitation, so do u think this bike with 2x 1500w motors. 96 volts battery power could go up a 1/8 hill power only at 15mph+ anyone ?Not necessarily, for a given power it's the opposite. The old Torq 1 and the Quando had identical electrics throughout. The motor in the Torq was in a 700c (28") wheel and it powered to 22 mph but with poor hill climbing as a result. The identical motor in the Quando was in a 20" wheel, powered just to 16 mph but is the best legal hill climber bar none.
It's how the power is geared that matters, a given hub motor power can be geared for speed advantage or hill climbing advantage, not both.
I'd imagine it could do that towing a caravan.Thats based on the 250w motor with all its limitation, so do u think this bike with 2x 1500w motors. 96 volts battery power could go up a 1/8 hill power only at 15mph+ anyone ?