Hmm.....Suspicious wisper for sale

[eddieo]

If it was new then I'd say there's definitely something wrong but it's a 2009 model that's had some use but not a lot. It could have been used during a driving ban and then forgotten about, it's plausible. Of course it's also plausible that it was stolen at some point but not a certainty.

Getting warmer.......

had this from seller

"As i have explained to several other members of the pedelec e bike forum who have been harrasing me via ebay The bike is in its current state as it was stolen from us but later recovered by the police. Unfortunatly it was returned without the battery and in poor condition. I sold the charger during the time the bike was missing. I have documentation from the police station to prove this. I have reported you to the administrator of pedelec e bike and i suggust you retract you libelous comments on the forum or i shall be forced to take further action"


To which I have replied:

"well that is plain daft! I said the bike was SUSPICIOUS?? and asked you for an EXPLANATION?? which I have now reluctantly got from you. better to be more transparent and truthful rather them pass of what is ostensibly a scrap bike? many on pedelec would be probably interested in it as a project? "

Keep those eyes pealed! lol

 

[banbury frank]

Hi everybody

I have just had a phone call off the lady selling the wisper bike she was very upset I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BACK OFF it is now down to Gareth to take forward

Frank

 

[eddieo]

Hi everybody

I have just had a phone call off the lady selling the wisper bike she was very upset I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BACK OFF it is now down to Gareth to take forward

Frank

well shame she was not more honest regards bikes providence...none of this would have happened

passing of what is ostensibily a scraper with the guts hanging out of it as a £1600 bike indeed

 

[banbury frank]

Hi
The lady is being harassed on Ebay by members of this forum partly by Me

Not fair it Must STOP How would you fell if it was your wife or girlfriend

Frank

 

[indalo]

Woops! Even I feel embarrassed and I didn't even contribute. lol

Indalo

 

[stevebills]

I am with Eddieo! as she should of made the listing clear and told us the bikes history!

 

[indalo]

Sorry Steve but I can't buy that at all. How was the seller to know what the reaction might be from frustrated policemen on Pedelecs to her advert?

If I understand correctly, she has not sold before on ebay so what are you suggesting? Is she supposed to read the minds of people she has never had contact with and word an advert for a no longer wanted bike in such a manner that no-one could think for a moment that it might not be entirely genuine?

Ebay sellers are actually answerable under their rules and I know for a fact that there are policemen and trading standards officers who sample-audit some transactions. I'm afraid we have seen a classic case here of some people putting two and two together and making five.

An apology from someone wouldn't go amiss!

Indalo

 

[stevebills]

feedback is 297
Member since: 28-Jun-06 in United Kingdom
wisper 905 se works electric bike for sale, fully working apart from a broken back mudguard and does not have a battery, this can be purchased from various vendors
and is easy to install as the battery pack just slots in.
and fully working apart from a battery... well how did she test it? nar what a load of bulloni!
The bike should of been sold as a police recovery and I am sure thats also the law.

sorry I am still with Eddieo

 

[indalo]

Steve, there's an old Chinese saying which, roughly translated means, "when you're in a hole and need to get out, stop digging!"

Don't invent rules or laws to assist you in defending the indefensible. At the end of the day, the seller hasn't done anything wrong. If you really believe that it's ok or fair for people, members of this forum, to harass someone on the most tenuous of evidence as we have witnessed in this thread, then you should be ashamed.

Our Crown courts operate on the basis of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and even our magistrates' courts reckon on a "on the balance of probability" premise. What we have seen through this thread is akin to the workings of a kangaroo court or the kind of justice which pertains to mob rule.

Want to think again?

Indalo

 

[stevebills]

Steve, there's an old Chinese saying which, roughly translated means, "when you're in a hole and need to get out, stop digging!"

Don't invent rules or laws to assist you in defending the indefensible. At the end of the day, the seller hasn't done anything wrong. If you really believe that it's ok or fair for people, members of this forum, to harass someone on the most tenuous of evidence as we have witnessed in this thread, then you should be ashamed.

Our Crown courts operate on the basis of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and even our magistrates' courts reckon on a "on the balance of probability" premise. What we have seen through this thread is akin to the workings of a kangaroo court or the kind of justice which pertains to mob rule.

Want to think again?

Indalo

I never contacted the seller myself or emailed her and I didnt no that someone accused the seller of selling a stolen bike (Frank u naughty boy) and if they did they jumped the gun and should asked the seller the history of the bike with regards to buying it as a project.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

These situations are always difficult.

The bike is certainly a Wisper, it is a City and probably dates back to 2008 or even earlier. The bike was originally supplied before we fitted suspension to that particular model.

The vendor has now stated that she will provide proof of ownership to the vendor.

I have written to her (gently) asking for the serial number, where the bike was purchased from and when. With this information I can certainly identify the bike and will know a little of it's history.

The reaction here is understandable, we know many electric bikes are stolen along with 1000's of non assisted bikes. When we see something suspicious on eBay many of us will (naturally) feel protective towards our fellow e-bikers and do a bit if detective work. Not a bad thing as long as it is kept to a reasonable level. Maybe if any one sees a suspicious item it would be better to let the manufacturer or importer know. I for one would always act on the information and a few simple questions would normally verify the provenance of the bike.

I will let you know how I get on.

All said, the bike is an old one and needs a lot of TLC. If anyone should consider making an offer, my advice would be to find out what needs to be done and how much it would cost to replace missing parts before bidding.

All the best

David

 

[Cyclezee]

I think some of us may have over reacted with the best of intentions.
On this occasion, the lady may be due an apology.

However it is reassuring to know that members are vigilant in trying help a fellow member.

 

[indalo]

Fair point Aldby and succinctly presented. I wish I could learn to condense things to a couple of lines yet make the point!

Regards,
Indalo

 

[Biged]

Yes i think she needs an apology, how about it eddieo!

 

[tangent]

suspicious 905 SE for sale on ebay

no battery and does not say if it has a charger either

anyone lost a bike?

wisper 905se works electric bike black on eBay (end time 19-Mar-11 17:06:53 GMT)

Absolutely nothing wrong with this posting - it did look suspicious.

I had my Technium Privilege stolen before Christmas (foolishly just used my cable lock somewhere because my D lock would not fit), so if anyone spots one of these for sale, without a charger, I would be pleased to hear about it.

 

[eddieo]

Apology? when hell freezes over

This is planet earth to LA LA land and the pathetic apologists among you? There is nothing wrong with making reasonable enquiry's regards something as I did. I said to seller the bike appears SUSPICIOUS? and asked for an EXPLANATION? as to the condition?

NO battery?
NO charger?
NO lights?
NO chain guard?
NO mudguards?
NO rack?
NO sump plate and cables hanging out etc....etc....

all I got initally was some patronising BS then FINALLY an admission that it was stolen recovered?

"£1600 bike only needs a battery!"

Yeah right! Well this bike has been revealed for what it is? so can we move on please....

 

[indalo]

Tangent, it wasn't the original posting that was the problem. If you re-read posts 21 through 24, you'll perhaps appreciate how the matter became problematic.

If....IF.....the lady in question is entirely innocent of any wrongdoing, then if she describes the questioning she received over the ebay contact system as harrassment, we must accept that she was upset. It could easily have been your mum, wife, sister or close friend and I'm sure you wouldn't have been best pleased, had that occurred within your family circle.

Everyone involved was well-intentioned of course but we all need to tread carefully when we venture into such matters.

Regards,
Indalo

 

[Biged]

Apology? when hell freezes over

This is planet earth to LA LA land and the pathetic apologists among you? There is nothing wrong with making reasonable enquiry's

Too true nothing wrong with a 'reasonable' enquiry, but yours was nothing like reasonable.
It was not a bike you or any of your relations had lost, you had no intention of buying the bike you were just harassing the seller. Well you got the information you wanted and no BS.
It was never stated ''£1600 only needs a battery''
What was said was ''very good make as the model costs £1,600 new''
I have been on ebay for years and have a 100% FB on more than 550 items and you get "enquiries" from all sorts, some objectionable.
If i had received that sort of enquiry for an honest sale my reply would have been 2 words the first beginning with F the second with O

 

[Streethawk]

I'm with eddio, it still looks suspicious and none of the responses seem particularly convincing so far. I reported my suspicions to eBay, i did not say it was stolen. I think thats quite in line with eBay rules and regulations.

Selling the charger? I dont buy that for one minute. Reason? Its not worth much. Customer? How many Wisper riders dont already have a charger? And of those very few who dont have one, how many would be willing to buy a used one?

 

[eddieo]

Too true nothing wrong with a 'reasonable' enquiry, but yours was nothing like reasonable.
It was not a bike you or any of your relations had lost, you had no intention of buying the bike you were just harassing the seller. Well you got the information you wanted and no BS.

Dont tell me what I can say or do? stop causing trouble? what are you a teacher lol..... It is simply none of your business, you sanctimonious, pious plonker