Hill climbing with throttle kalkhoff alternative

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

That's not what poster said at all. I'll remind you what he said:
"The Bosch system is as close as is possible to simply feel like something is helping you pedal."

If poster had said, "I think the Bosch system makes it feel like someone is helping you to pedal", no problem. That's an opinion, and I'd agree with it. The problem comes when the poster says,"The Bosch system is as close as possible ..." because that isn't true. It makes it sound like Bosch is the best and will never be bettered.

The main problem is that poster has very limited experience in these matters, and based on that, it appears that he thinks that he's got everything figured out and knows all the answers.

It's not a problem for anybody to express an opinion, but when you state things as fact, they need to be right. If you make false statements, I'll give it to you straight. If you express an opinion, I might argue the point, I might agree with you, or I might express my own opinion.

You are arguing pedantics now D8...what I quoted poster as saying is slightly different to what he actually said ( I actually still agree with him) but either way what ever he states ( and it was obviously an opinion) gives nobody the right to say he,s talking bolux, especially on a forum let alone face to face.

I actually think your attitude is appalling. Any decent poster would apologise for insult and probably explain your OPINION to justify it.

We are all only expressing opinions. You have no more knowledge of facts than anyone else. How the bike feels is totally subjective. The Bosch CD is the most natural, intuitive pedelec. I have tried. The poster said more or less same.

Who appointed you as moderator of facts ?? Nobody. Self appointed.

What on earth us wrong with a poster saying
" Bosch system is as close as possible to feeling something is helping you pedal"
Its actually exactly what is happening !!!

 

[JuicyBike]

I'd let it drop now. I've just had a dance and a pint and seen city goalless at half time. Did the world of good. Try it.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

I watched it til half time...needed Ronaldo on field....

I agree. Well said.

 

[Tomtomato]

try the bikes I mentioned above, then come back and apologize.

Who the f@@@@ do you think you are?

Don't like people disagreeing with you or having a different opinion?

 

[Tomtomato]

Please don't be swayed by opinion here one way or the other. Always try both and decide for yourself.

Kinda defeats the point of asking for advice/opinions on a forum, doesn't it?

I guess we should have a sticky post on the "which electric bike should I buy" forum stating "always try various bikes and decide for yourself"!

Anyway, I don't disagree: it's best to form one's own opinion, trying different bikes, if possible.

My view is: if people are looking for a moped/electric scooter, then go for something with a throttle, and large battery. I wouldn't really call those bicycles, but there is a market for it (people not willing to cycle much).

If you are looking for a bike that has the most seamless assistance, proportional to the effort made, then try a Bosch-powered or Kalkhoff bike (there are a few other types, but rare). I would advise not to try those if you can't afford them anyway.

If you have a limited budget (e.g. less than £1,000), then you will be constrained in choices anyway (and will be mostly hub-driven Chinese bikes).

 

[Deleted member 4366]

You have no more knowledge of facts than anyone else.

Not many people would agree with you on that point if you're talking about facts relating to Ebikes.

Nobody can know everything, but I've done my best to know as much as possible. have a browse through the libraries on the left side of this link:
http://s451.photobucket.com/user/d8veh/library/?sort=3&page=1
You'll see that I've dissected just about every type of motor, controller and battery that has come out of China, plus many more. I've built and converted many electric bikes. I've attended just about every major UK bike show in the last 5 years and ridden as many different electric bikes as it's possible to. I've visited factories and suppliers in China to sort out problems and new ideas for electric bikes.

In summary, I'd say that I know more electric bike facts than most people, though I'm sure there's some that know more than me, so I will say again that when you make statements like that, it shows that you don't have a grasp on reality. Maybe that's why you talk so much sh!te.

 

[Tomtomato]

In summary, I'd say that I know more electric bike facts than most people, though I'm sure there's some that know more than me, so I will say again that when you make statements like that, it shows that you don't have a grasp on reality. Maybe that's why you talk so much sh!te.

Nobody can beat you in arrogance, I will give you that. People don't have a grasp on reality because they don't agree with you...

Nice photo album BTW, to demonstrate your wealth of experience. I was more hoping for a book or some actual reviews... Seems to be so wasted on some average photo album. Please do share your invaluable wisdom.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Only crank-driven bikes (e.g. Bosch, Panasonic and Kalkhoff/Impulse) will be having that proper integration of assistance, making the bike still feel like a bike.

Who the f@@@@ do you think you are?

Don't like people disagreeing with you or having a different opinion?

Correct - sort of. The statement you made is untrue and very misleading. As I said to Flud, it would have been OK if you had started the sentence with, "My opinion is...", but you didn't. You wrote it as a statement of fact, when in reality, it's fiction. There's many non crank-drive bikes that have almost identical control systems to those. Did you ever try those bikes I suggested? I can add another one to the list. The Smart Bike also had proper integration of assistance, which was particularly good, also there's Stromer, but really, there's hundreds of different hub-motored electric bikes that have it too.

 

[JuicyBike]

D8veh is indeed very knowledgeable, extremely helpful and even suffers fools. His output is such that he can be brusk. Accept that and his advice will be invaluable. Become affronted by his directness and you will be missing out on his very obliging nature.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Nobody can beat you in arrogance, I will give you that. People don't have a grasp on reality because they don't agree with you...

Nice photo album BTW, to demonstrate your wealth of experience. I was more hoping for a book or some actual reviews... Seems to be so wasted on some average photo album. Please do share your invaluable wisdom.

You'll have to search back through all my posts and threads, where you'll find many reviews. I guess if you put them all together, it would make a sizeable book, though I normally only write reviews when there's something fundamentally new or different.

 

[Tomtomato]

it would have been OK if you had started the sentence with, "My opinion is...", but you didn't.

Why don't you start by following your own advice... That would buy you a bit more credibility.

If you have reviews or lots of analysis done, why don't you create your own website, as opposed to trying to prove your in-depth experience by linking to a bunch of random pictures.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

What I find amazing is the fact that d8veh does not realise folk responding to his patronising arrogant posts use far more restraint in their responses than he can even muster in his original insults.
If folk responded with similar lack of control place would be littered with foul mouthed abuse.
Yes for some odd reason he has his sycophants who are accepting, actually condoning, of his outrageous attitude,perhaps he helps sell something ???
If I spoke to mates or colleagues in similar way to way he posts I,fd expect a punch on nose...and deservedly.
I,d hazard a guess he,s far more polite/ friendly in person. ??
Internet ? Its great isn't it.!
Telling folk they need to try more bikes and come back and apologise for expressing an opinion is the height of deluded self righteousness after telling posters they are talking bolux. ??
He should be banned for a while to show its simply not on, if he isn't it will simply continue.

 

[HelenJ]

Morning all!

The OP was looking for advice and hasn't been seen for a while so I think it's probably best to lock this thread now. While we appreciate everyone has differing opinions and experience that needs to be shared respectfully please. There are a lot of people browsing this forum and we don't want to stop them joining in. Everyone is different and has different wants, likes and needs so I hope the OP will read through the suggestions offered with best interests at heart (even if it did get heated) try enough different bikes on the right sort of terrain and come to their own opinion bearing all that in mind. Thanks all.

Shame I missed the pub