Hill climbing with throttle kalkhoff alternative

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

To the best of my knowledge electric bicycles fitted with independent throttles sold from the 1st January 2016 are illegal. Could you please show me any official document that shows otherwise.

I,ve seen that, apparently the loophole is walk assist button, which if deployed can take bike to 6km/h..
Suspect if bikes were actually put under clode scrutiny many if them would be found either not to be pedelecs or illegal.
Still surprises me on here to hear many posters openly ignoring and rules/ laws/ regs. ( ue throttle, power over 15.5 mph etc)
Its one thing doing it, quite another admitting so on here..

 

[JuicyBike]

Biking Association recommending folk do not buy bikes with throttle. Its a grey area awaiting a court case for ruling.

The Bicycle Association on the other hand has clear and unambiguous communication with the DofT on the matter. Who are the Biking Association?

The Bosch system is as close as is possible to simply feel like something is helping you pedal.

Are you sure you mean "as close as is possible". That surely is not true. It's been widely shown on this forum that other people think differently.

Folk do not need to apologise for expressing opinions. That's the point of a Forum. They should apologise for telling folk they are talking bolux, especially when they are not.

Of course! That's a given.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

out of curiosity have you a photo of that particular bike?

Certainly. I built it from a bare frame about 18 months ago. The motor and other electrical stuff came directly from Xiongda, the battery from BMSBattery, and just about everything else, including the frame came from Ebay. It cost about £1000 to build. It's now done about 3,500 miles. Soon after I built it, I fell of on some ice and damaged the motor wires, since then, I've cleaned it twice and oiled the chain about three times. I had one problem a month ago, when the rear derailleur cable broke at the lever, but I was easily able to ride the 15 hilly miles home in top gear because the motor makes sufficient torque when I need it. Nothing else has needed adjusting or any other attention. I currently own 10 electric bikes, though I only use the others occasionally, like when I'm doing something special. It's very hilly here around Telford. I encounter at least one 30% hill nearly every ride.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

The Bicycle Association on the other hand has clear and unambiguous communication with the DofT on the matter. Who are the Biking Association?


Are you sure you mean "as close as is possible". That surely is not true. It's been widely shown on this forum that other people think differently.


Of course! That's a given.

Which bike is more natural feeling than Bosch ( pre CX) ?? Power comes in gently, inobtrusive and only when reasonable force on pedals. Its smooth. Height of feeling natural. (I actually prefer Yam and CX but original Bosch is as natural as possible ??? Cant see argument in that ???

On the given issue..afraid it is not a given. Some posters seem to think they have monopoly on being right and feel justified in insulting others when opposed.?? Just read this thread.
d8 should be banned for a week. If I was moderating he would be. Its not the first time, wont be last, he is not the only one and it puts folk of posting. It ruins constructive discussion.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

[QUOTE="Flud, post: 302336, member: 15675"
Folk do not need to apologise for expressing opinions. That's the point of a Forum. They should apologise for telling folk they are talking bolux, especially when they are not.[/QUOTE]

I have nothing against people expressing opinions, but that's different to making statements as if they're facts, like when you say, "The Bosch system is as close as is possible to simply feel like something is helping you pedal.". You didn't say that was your opinion. Instead, you say it as if it's true, but, unfortunately, it's ball-cox. Did you ever try a Shimano STEPS or a BionX? No, obviously, otherwise you wouldn't say that.

As I keep saying, go and try as many electric bikes as you can, then even your opinion might become valid, and you'll probably be apologizing for misleading innocent forum members, with various incorrect statements that you've already made.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

[QUOTE="Flud, post: 302336, member: 15675"
Folk do not need to apologise for expressing opinions. That's the point of a Forum. They should apologise for telling folk they are talking bolux, especially when they are not.

I have nothing against people expressing opinions, but that's different to making statements as if they're facts, like when you say, "The Bosch system is as close as is possible to simply feel like something is helping you pedal.". You didn't say that was your opinion. Instead, you say it as if it's true, but, unfortunately, it's ball-cox.

As I keep saying, go and try as many electric bikes as you can, then even your opinion might become valid, and you'll probably be apologizing for misleading innocent forum members, with various incorrect statements that you've already made.[/QUOTE]

Its only bolux in your limited opinion.
Saying folk are wrong, offering counter argument , has nothing to do with being aggressive. My experience folk who resort to such childish insults wouldn't do so in person and cant offer viable reasoning....so they resort to insults on their keyboard..a few hundred miles away..

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

I have nothing against people expressing opinions, but that's different to making statements as if they're facts, like when you say, "The Bosch system is as close as is possible to simply feel like something is helping you pedal.". You didn't say that was your opinion. Instead, you say it as if it's true, but, unfortunately, it's ball-cox.

As I keep saying, go and try as many electric bikes as you can, then even your opinion might become valid, and you'll probably be apologizing for misleading innocent forum members, with various incorrect statements that you've already made.

Its only bolux in your limited opinion.
Saying folk are wrong, offering counter argument , has nothing to do with being aggressive. My experience folk who resort to such childish insults wouldn't do so in person and cant offer viable reasoning....so they resort to insults on their keyboard..a few hundred miles away..[/QUOTE]

By the way your bolux insult was not at me originally. You cant even remember who you insulted. I defended poster you told was talking bolux, because I agreed with his opinion...
He probably thinks "stuff this, why should I post on a forum and get told I,m talking bolux by a know it all,I,ll post elsewhere"??

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

You seem to want to win each and every point made.
I'm not going to engage, other than point out to you there are mixed views and true / false, black / white, right / wrong approaches are not what this forum is about.
I happen to believe our latest prototype system is better than Bosch, but only our team have tried it. You will get the chance later this year.

And I,m not sure a manufacturer/ trader should even be allowed to come on an open forum telling us the value of his products..
Ofcourse you think your bikes are great. You build them , or sell them.
I,m not knocking them. I,m telling folk experiences I,ve had, selling nothing.
What are you doiibg ???

 

[trex]

flud,I have shown e-bikes to quite a few people and they come in all shapes and sizes, one size can't fit all.
It's often the case that the more you know, the less you know.
See what I mean?

 

[Jimod]

Ok, this thread is now 3 pages long. The OP came on and asked a question. He received a couple of replies. He then came back and thanked the posters for those replies.

Since then the thread has been filled with a lot of arguments, some from people who never read the first post, about different things. Very little of which was aimed at the OP's question.

Anyway, the OP disappeared after his second post, he's probably decided to ask his question somewhere else, probably in a forum about the EU referendum. He'll get as many relevant replies as he was getting in here.

Enough already.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

Ok, this thread is now 3 pages long. The OP came on and asked a question. He received a couple of replies. He then came back and thanked the posters for those replies.

Since then the thread has been filled with a lot of arguments, some from people who never read the first post, about different things. Very little of which was aimed at the OP's question.

Anyway, the OP disappeared after his second post, he's probably decided to ask his question somewhere else, probably in a forum about the EU referendum. He'll get as many relevant replies as he was getting in here.

Enough already.

Good post..
Wonder what we,d think of Boris Johnson if he stood up and said Obama was speaking bolux...unacceptable in real life..apparently ok on here ???

 

[trex]

he did say this about Obama in the Sun:

“Some said it was a snub to Britain. Some said it was a symbol of the part-Kenyan president’s ancestral dislike of the British empire – of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender,”

and in the dailymail:

‘So I gather they think it’s game over. The Bremainers think they have bombed us into submission.

‘They think that we have just seen the turning point in the referendum campaign, and that the British people are so intimidated by these testimonials – American presidents, business leaders, fat cats of every description – that they now believe the British people will file meekly to the polls in two months time and consent to stay in the EU; and thereby to the slow and insidious erosion of democracy in this country.

Make of it whatever you will, but obviously there is no way Obama is going to get back at him for what he said.

It's not the same thing here. People do get back at you.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

He blatantly felt like saying he was talking bolux but thought better of it...depends on wether you want in or out as to wether he was..
Accusing him of doing so removes any objectivity in argument..just like in this one...
Using this manner of speech reduces both situations to schoolyard rather than adult discussion.
I don't think people do get back. That's the problem. The forum I mentioned was massive but gradually became dominated by an outspoken few, who between them actually ruined site. It took 4 years and lots of bans to get place back to one that welcomed newcomers, listened to their opinions and countered them with out resorting to insults.. I see similarities here, seems a little worse on here as some of the outspoken are actually industry, with blatant invested interest. I dont think that helps .
Its a great Forum and 90% plus of posters are great..a few seem intent on spoiling place for putting forward their own views and self importance. Its a shame.
Having opinionated views is one thing, putting down others is something else .

 

[trex]

if you speak of d8veh, he is the second most liked member here, just after flecc, and our number one technical guru. He has helped hundreds of members sort out their bikes in the past. Vendors are lucky to have him criticise their bikes. If he criticises you, take it positively.

 

[Jimod]

OK, since the thread has gone to Obama, he was disgraceful in what he said. He has always claimed we had a special relationship then says if we don't do what HE wants, he'll cut us off.

However, the most disgraceful thing about it was, Dave Cameron stood there like a little child instead of sticking up for Britain. It's not the first time the gormless twit has allowed his 'friend' to rubbish Britain.

He should have told Obama to take all his Yankee toys out of Britain and we'd let him bring them back when he deigns to allow us to have a trade deal.

Shame on him and anyone who voted Tory.

P.S if the OP is reading this, try a bike with a simple pedal sensor, I think your wife will find it better.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

Yes I do realise he is knowledgeable, I,ve never said otherwise and no doubt he has helped posters but none of that makes it ok to decide some poster is talking bolux ( posters claim was merely the Bosch CD system was very natural / intuitive in its use)
Yes, fine by all means say hang on a minute my such and such is more so or whatever.
Its probably this high regard he,s held in which gives him authority to say poster is talking " bolux"
Its simply not on. What happens when poster comes back and says " lets meet up and I,ll show you how much bolux I talk" ( We actually had that on Windsurf forum, with posters arranging to meet up to sort it...yes plain crazy...but it starts somewhere...either leads to aggresion or poster just stops posting...
I just can not understand folk justifying it ???
Its a Pedelec forum, not a cage fighting one. ..

Enoch Powel was extremely popular in some quarters.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

.... but none of that makes it ok to decide some poster is talking bolux ( posters claim was merely the Bosch CD system was very natural / intuitive in its use)

That's not what poster said at all. I'll remind you what he said:
"The Bosch system is as close as is possible to simply feel like something is helping you pedal."

If poster had said, "I think the Bosch system makes it feel like someone is helping you to pedal", no problem. That's an opinion, and I'd agree with it. The problem comes when the poster says,"The Bosch system is as close as possible ..." because that isn't true. It makes it sound like Bosch is the best and will never be bettered.

The main problem is that poster has very limited experience in these matters, and based on that, it appears that he thinks that he's got everything figured out and knows all the answers.

It's not a problem for anybody to express an opinion, but when you state things as fact, they need to be right. If you make false statements, I'll give it to you straight. If you express an opinion, I might argue the point, I might agree with you, or I might express my own opinion.

 

[JuicyBike]

Anybody fancy a stroll down the pub...

 

[D8ve]

If D8veh goes he shouldn't need to buy any drink the amount of favours he has done.

 

[Jimod]

Anybody fancy a stroll down the pub...

I'm tea total but if you buy me a pint of draught IRN BRU I'll come with you.