Forget the rest look at this!!!!!!!!!!

averhamdave

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Yep, just look at this on e-bay, item no: 110452646730

30mph for 40 miles on 3, 9ah SLA batteries! 15mph up 45% gradients! 40 miles and charge up in 90mins
Impressive accreditations and "patented" freewheel assemblies!

Ok I know his video has been used by others but why are we/you wasting money on Wispers etc?

Can anyone see any problems with this or am I being over cautious?
 

Bigbee

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Oct 12, 2008
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On ebay he asks you to check out his feedback.He hsnt sold anything according to that,all the feedback is about him buying stuff
 

themutiny

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You sure about that? When i looked he had feedback on 18 sales, two of which (albeit unconnected) were scathing. Thats greater than 10% negative.

Apart from anything else, I couldn't live with the noise of the thing..

He also appears to be (difficult to say for sure) 'cycling' at dusk at 30mph with no lights.
 
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averhamdave

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May 13, 2009
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Mmm, I'm now a little confused. The video shown, is one of two posted by him some time ago on You Tube - see link

YouTube - Kanal von epedalpower

Here it says 500w, not 250. In the text he talks about a LifePo4 battery and it doing 15 miles! The need to pedal uphill etc. Where he bought the kit from...

I can't expalin it! I'll e-mail him for an explanation.:eek:
 

Tiberius

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30mph for 40 miles on 3, 9ah SLA batteries! 15mph up 45% gradients! 40 miles and charge up in 90mins
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Can anyone see any problems with this or am I being over cautious?
Unless its a fully faired velomobile going down a mountain, I'd doubt it.
On a bicycle, 30 mph requires about 30 Wh per mile. So 40 miles would need 1200 Wh against the 300 Wh or so the batteries could supply.

Nick
 

averhamdave

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AndyOfTheSouth

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The description is illiterate, the references to standards passed is garbled, the physics is wrong, the product is illegal and the video is dreary beyond words. Apart from that it is great.
 

flecc

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And then people wonder why I don't trust ebay transactions!

However, I did just once buy something "e-bike" on ebay and it was an incredible bargain, £450 worth of genuinely brand new product for £16, plus it turned out to be local and was hand delivered by the seller on the evening of purchase at no extra cost.

So a miracle can happen, but on the basis that's probably no more than once a decade, I'm the lucky one and you shouldn't expect to find another anytime soon. :D
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averhamdave

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Maybe I was wrong to be sceptical. The supplier has just mailed me an explanation:

well we're using an uprated version, we use more batteries, a better controller, and we piece together the product.

My claims are based on overamped motors, not the chinese aftermarket products and the video? I am FROM northumberland and my name is ROB. care to explain a little more?
 

uk_steve

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Yep, just look at this on e-bay, item no: 110452646730

30mph for 40 miles on 3, 9ah SLA batteries! 15mph up 45% gradients! 40 miles and charge up in 90mins
Impressive accreditations and "patented" freewheel assemblies!

Ok I know his video has been used by others but why are we/you wasting money on Wispers etc?

Can anyone see any problems with this or am I being over cautious?
great feedback the seller is honest

HONEST GUV ITS A BARGAIN

:D
 

averhamdave

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Blimey, I see the 900w version does 50mph for 40 miles with 4 off, 9ah SLA batteries, climbs 65% gradients and out accelerates cars!:eek: :eek: :eek:
 

AndyOfTheSouth

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Hi Nick. I've just been googling around the subject of energy and hill climbing - inspired by this silly eBay offering - and have discovered this:

Home

It's a set of programs for the iPhone, so I thought it might be right up your street. Not to mention Dan's. I assume that flecc and Tiberius know the values without the need for calculation...
 

flecc

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I assume that flecc and Tiberius know the values without the need for calculation...
Not really, heres the basic equation I use:

P = 9.81MvG (W)

where M is the total mass of bike, rider and cargo carried in kilograms, v is the ground speed in metres per second and G is the gradient expressed as a fraction that is the elevation change over distance travelled.

For example, my Q-bike can climb my 1 in 7 hill at a steady 9 mph without me pedalling, so to find out how much power the motor is putting down on the road, here are the figures.

My weight and the bike combined is 92 kilos, the 9.81 in the equation is a constant, the ground speed of 9 mph is 4.02 meters per second and the 1 in 7 hill as a fraction of elevation change over distance is 0.1428. That appears in the equation thus:

92 x 9.81 x 4.02 x 0.1428 = watts of net power (518 watts)

Of course that assumes the bike rolls perfectly which it cannot do since there must be friction and tyre drag. However, these are small components and fall between 20 and 50 watts generally, so an assessed amount is added to the 518 watts above. In this Q-bike case I add about 30 watts and therefore the motor output to climb that hill is almost exactly 550 watts.

For purists, with the steepest gradients G is replaced by sine[tan-1(rise/run)], but I don't generally bother with that.
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Kalimbakey

Finding my (electric) wheels
Mmmm....

Thanks to Avershamdave for uncovering this one, initial responses seem a bit negative. Me, i'm just confused - I thought I had examined all the possible combinations of bikes and kits available as I prepare for my first foray into E-Bikes!!
 

AndyOfTheSouth

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So, applying the flecc formula to this 16 stone man on his remarkable bike which has been ‘Safety Approved by the British Board’ (amongst others) with its ‘patented Freewheel Chainwheel Setup’, when he is going up the 45% hill (where, by the way?) at 15 mph how much energy is the motor supplying?

129 x 9.81 x 6.7 mps x 0.5 (?) = 4239.39 watts

Some motor, eh?!?

Or have I made a mistake? It is now quite late...
 

daniel.weck

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This is worth copy/pasting here, just in case it disappears one day! :p
(in the description the seller contradicts himself quite a few times :rolleyes:)

Oxford Gearbox 250W 24v electric bike Kit 0-30mph 5sec on eBay (end time 11-Nov-09 17:36:22 GMT)

The Fastest and Safest Quality Electric Bicycle Kit in the World

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All our products have UK-grade built quality components, industrially assembled by Engineers this kit got us our distinction. Marketing it is the easy part, as most hub motors are left standing in the face of a fully geared electric bicycle, our kit has been Safety Approved by the British Board and is tougher and more resilient to wear and tear than all other kits based on 1-year guaranteed Shimano, AMC, and Bmx freewheel assembled components, the motors are manufactured to Advanced D.C. standards and have been dura-tested, but most of all, all we aim to help the British public safely commute.

The video above shows the speedy performance of the kit (30mph) we aimed to achieve at 250watts. I'm 16 stone and unlike all the other kits I'd tried this propelled me up a steep gradient faster than I could have pedalled, but then the 900watt kit accelerates to 50mph (scary speed) and that was only at 36volts...(optional 48v battery pack available) That is what you should expect from our Kits. amongst other forms of support, we offer tutorial videos showing the installation method from start to finish.


This is a listing for the 250watt 30mph Max (30mph cruise) Kit. for our 900watt 50mph kit please view our other items.

Our Gearboxed motors are superior to 1500 Watt Hub motors in that:

1. 250watts is perfectly Legal in the UK, while 1500watt hub motors are Illegal everywhere (our other kits can be marked 250watt/24v)

2.Gearbox Bicycle Kits are UK-based and are supported

3. 250watt Gearboxed models last for 10 years and are dura-tested to high-tensile strain

4. if You weigh above 12 stone then we recommend this kit as it is nippy and accelerates very quickly

This kit is very practical in that it enables you to change through your gearing and gain power on either the flats or inclines.

Pictured above is my Mountain Bike with the 250w kit and 3 x SLA 9AH (range: 40miles,cruise:30mph). This kit is LEGAL as it is a 250watt, under 40 kilogram, 15mph, with pedals, electrical bicycle, our sales are reflected in our high feedback rating and we aim to help all our customers achieve the most they can out of cycling.

Having assembled this kit together and placed it under 48 hour dura-stress-cycle testing to ensure it conforms to the ECA standard it is a quality product that offers the highest levels of safety to reduce the rising fuel costs, global warming, but most importantly this kit pays for itself in fuel costs alone within 4 months. The kit is great fun to use for the whole family, if you are a family man who wants to save money then this kit is the right choice because it is built from the highest pre-fabricated and lathed materials in the UK

You CAN use this kit on cycle lanes provided you do not exceed 15mph on the road, cruising speed is around 30mph without pedal assist. To make things clear, this is as fast as it gets with pedal-assist electric bicycles, the kit is marked 24v 250watt, however Linked to your chain-drive the power output of the motor is multiplied by a ratio of 2:2:18 equalling 900 to 2300 watts on the smallest and biggest gears respectively, the kit is also upgradeable to any voltage up to 48volts, ideally it performs best at 48volts.

Battery packs are available and are £43 for 36v 27amps, or £60 for 48v 36ah (please ask for more information). We advise you to wear a helmet, get insured, and not break the speed limit or any laws.

By using a standard bicycle's gearing this kit can climb steep 45% hills, accelerate faster than some cars uphill and is most likely the best quality and fastest electric bicycle Kit you've ever seen.

If you live in London then there is the benefit of avoiding congestion charges and Traffic.

We also offer the bicycles ready-made at a higher price in mountain Bike (£860) / Beach Cruiser (£742) or Townie Frames (feel free to contact us for more information at fastestebike@gmail.com )


"The Kit has replaced the Car Completely! I never thought I'd get so much out of it, I never believed in cars anyway, my wife loves it, it gets the groceries, it gets me to work 20 miles there and back, who needs cars?!?Kim Martin"

"Steve Bowers states: that it is the most practical fun I have ever had on a bicycle, it's my car alternative when I don't feel like driving"
What it is:

250 Watt 24V Brushless Electric Bike Kit 3 Chainwheel System That Uses the Rear Gears to propel your Bicycle forward (and increases power output)

are you:

Tired of being stuck in morning traffic?

Sick of arriving late and tired to University Lectures?

TIRED of spending £30-£50 on weekly rising fuel costs?

Do you Need an alternative to your car but have a hill to climb / or get tired of pedalling? do you need something that will help you get fit without having to climb up those steep hills?

If you want to Reduce your short travel costs, or just get fit, then this kit is the thing for you.

When we conducted our Preliminary Market research and asked around Oxford we wondered who could afford a car anyway?

The main aim of the kit was primarily to ease the setup to rival the installation of a hub motor. It suffices to state that this kit takes 1 hour to attach to any standard bicycle(18",19",20",21" frames), it is 8 x as fast as a 1500 watt ''hub motor'' in that you can use your gears on the bicycle. The Built-in freewheel means pedals do not spin when the motor is running. You can pedal only if you want to (thanks to the (patented Freewheel Chainwheel Setup) When in pedal mode there remains no drag from the motor. steep hills can be coasted at up to 30mph cruising speeds on the flats, 15mph up 45% gradients. (The kits get noticed very often and hold their own reputation in Oxford).

A warning, from experience, to Ebayers: Do not buy cheap chinese ''1500 watt'' Hub motors that you have seen on the other pages, Those Kits come unfinished, contain technical and operational issues, they maintain no customer support, they are slow, they do not function to a reasonable standard and are genuinely unsafe. They do not climb hills satisfactorily and slow to a halt. Efficiency is another factor standing at 60% when we tested them (while our Oxford Kit is 94% efficient), the Hub motors are cheap and a waste.

The Largest Hub motor on Ebay today is rated at 1,500 Watts but by using the Oxford Kit through your bicycle's gearing you are generating in excess of 2,300Watts which will probably out-accelerate most things on wheels ( hillclimber superbike). If you need any help with the kit then you can reach us any time by my email, which is fastestebike@gmail.com where we will do our utmost to help (email us on Sundays, times of inconvenience, because we are here to help, our company policy is to help make the world greener and we will do our utmost to assist you.
(some Statistics).

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3SLA 24v 9amp (9amp x 3) batteries will power you at 15 (mid-throttle) or 42kph (off-road privately) for 30-40 miles.
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upon testing this bike was ridden at 30mph cruising for 49miles 42kph for 19miles (full throttle the acceleration was and still is unmatched at 0-30mph in 5-8 seconds).
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When the battery finally gave up it's charge after 34 miles the charge time took 90 minutes
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The bicycle's total weight is 27kilograms
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you freewheel(no pedalling required but optional if you want to, this kit involves freewheeling pedals).
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It's Handbuilt ( you'll get a big wide Electric Vehicle Grin when it's done!)
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The kit will propel you up a 45% hill at full throttle at 15mph
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I commute daily I have used this setup for 600miles and nothing needed changing.

What's in the box:

250W Motor, Gearbox & 14T Freewheel Sprocket, External 24v Controller (Motor Weight 3.2kg - Controller Weight 1.1kg).
Motor Mounting Bracket With Bolts.
Chain Tensioner.
Triple Freewheel Chainwheel 44T/44T/32T Tooth.
Bottom Bracket 153mm Cartridge BB Set.
Left & Right Crank Arms - 170mm.
Twist Grip Throttle.
2 x Handlebar Grips.
Battery Connecting Harness.

Mounting bracket for motor will fit most bike frames up to a width of 52mm. Battery, charger & battery bag/case not included.

The 900 Watt motor performs best when coupled with our high performance 36V LifePo4 battery. Please see battery category for details.

Kit is intended for off road use only as it exceeds the legal power limit of 200/250 watts

Motor kit comes with 1 year limited warranty, I hold no responsibility for any damage sustained from this product to person property or any other injury that may or may not be sustained from this product, connected or unconnected by it, I advise that the legal limit in the UK is 15mph and that this bike is to be used at 15mph and no faster, by reading this you understand that I take no responsibility at all for your use of this product.
 

themutiny

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Feb 26, 2009
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Hi Nick. I've just been googling around the subject of energy and hill climbing - inspired by this silly eBay offering - and have discovered this:

Home

It's a set of programs for the iPhone, so I thought it might be right up your street. Not to mention Dan's. I assume that flecc and Tiberius know the values without the need for calculation...
Hi Andy. Not 100% sure if you mean me, but it certainly applies. Those apps look designed just 4 me. On another note, you ask where the 45% hill is. Im guessing it is but a foothill to the later commented on 65% hill. Unless I'm missing something, is this trying to suggest a 2 in 3, more commonly referred to as a 'gentle' cliff..

regards

Nick