Cycling hostility and decline

[KirstinS]

[QUOTE="flecc, post: 458608,
Second that we are not in the hand-me-down age of yesteryear, second hand being deeply unfashionable. That makes the used market small and small markets mean low prices due to fewer customers.


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It’s the bit about the small second hand market I’m not sure about. It too big a leap for me albeit logical

Access to second hand market is vastly simpler than a decade ago , eBay, gumtree , schpock and Facebook give fantastic access and communication possibilities country wide (and indeed beyond ). To name a few

That’s why I’d like (but won’t be able to see) actual evidence to support this “small market”

I’m afraid I don’t quite buy the statement (well not without supporting evidence anyways) .

With respect you also take no account of the trend for unique , bespoke , custom and vintage that second hand market offers . All bang on trend and arguable buzz words for “hand me down” !


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[flecc]

[QUOTE="flecc, post: 458608,
Second that we are not in the hand-me-down age of yesteryear, second hand being deeply unfashionable. That makes the used market small and small markets mean low prices due to fewer customers.

It’s the bit about the small second hand market I’m not sure about. It too big a leap for me albeit logical

Access to second hand market is vastly simpler than a decade ago , eBay, gumtree , schpock and Facebook give fantastic access and communication possibilities country wide (and indeed beyond ). To name a few

That’s why I’d like (but won’t be able to see) actual evidence to support this “small market”

I’m afraid I don’t quite buy the statement (well not without supporting evidence anyways) .

With respect you also take no account of the trend for unique , bespoke , custom and vintage that second hand market offers . All bang on trend and arguable buzz words for “hand me down” !

Unique , bespoke , custom and vintage are descriptions that narrow the market even more than just the word bicycle. I understand what you mean though and in overall market size you are definitely correct. However I mean in terms of true value realised, anything sells if cheap enough.

The true value of an e-bike that cost well over £2000 new must be far higher than say £500 at six months old, but the number of people available to pay a fair price is so small that in the end they go for a very low price, a fraction of true value.

We've seen that so many times in this forum despite the use of such as ebay, Gumtree and the like it has to be true. And I saw from my keen cyclist brother's experience with two very high value road bikes, one a famous vintage, how little they actually realised.
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[mike killay]

Yes, but I refuse to be intimidated or feel guilty. In my car I'm perfectly happy to crawl along behind a cyclist for as long as it takes, and I also hang back some way so the cyclist doesn't feel harassed by my presence.

It's even better now I have an electric car since I switch off the low speed pedestrian warning sound so the cyclist doesn't hear any car noise behind and often won't even know I'm there.
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I would always prefer to hear you.
I am quite deaf and wear hearing aids.

 

[mike killay]

It's not bikes where I live that are the problem. It's horses. Like the wild west, creating a mess everywhere and holding traffic up much worse than bikes. They are unpredictable and need a wide berth, and I believe they do not have to be insured, but not totally sure about that.

Worse still, because they are an animal, if they damage your car the rider is not liable.

 

[flecc]

I would always prefer to hear you.
I am quite deaf and wear hearing aids.

I'm afraid you wouldn't even hear the pedestrian warning sound since it's quite subdued. Driving very slowly with the windows open I can't hear it at all, despite the car being silent.
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