Cycle helmets debate

[flecc]

I think you are being a bit harsh on Mandy, she was just adding her opinion to this thread. This is the first time she has commented on this subject as far as I know.

You should all remember not everyone has been on the forum from the beginning, so what seems old hat to some might be new to others.

I have to disagree since this doesn't go back in time. The thread was only opened with it's first post 24 days ago, the subject flogged to death over 7 webpages and thankfully then laid to rest.

Until almost a month later Mandy raised it from the grave, the quote ironically starting with the opening words, "I don't want to recycle old arguments".

Unfortunately Mandy had an accident with the extracted quote so I've no idea which of the words belong in the quote and which were hers. Since the last part including wearing a helmets because of the lorries was definitely hers, I posted this harmless amused comment:

Mmmm. Lorry versus thin plastic cycle helmet?

Yes, that should teach the lorry a lesson.

And that's where the lecture started, despite what she says. As I keep saying, just wear the damned thing and stop going on about it.
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[mk1]

Mmmm. Lorry versus thin plastic cycle helmet?

Yes, that should teach the lorry a lesson.


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Not a bad one, could do better

I am not a big fan of these kind of debates that never go anywhere, as you will see be my limited posting on the subject.
Judging by the amount of replies and views they get though, others seem to disagree.

 

[flecc]

I am not a big fan of these kind of debates that never go anywhere, as you will see be my limited posting on the subject.

I tend to agree with that Martin. I wonder though why the penny never drops with the pro brigade:

Our governments have repeatedly refused to legislate, only last year blocking a move to make them compulsory for children. The CTC is against compulsion, polled cyclists are also. The general public doesn't care. The magazines including our own A to B and Velovision are against compulsion. And even the legislation mad EU refuses to legislate.

What is it about the mental processes of the pro brigade that doesn't permit them to see that it's a dead issue, and not an issue about death?
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[mk1]

What is it about the mental processes of the pro brigade that doesn't permit them to see that it's a dead issue, and not an issue about death?
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I have no idea, they just cannot see the bigger picture. It reminds of those that try to ban boxing. They just ignore the numerous benefits of the sport because the tiny perceived risks.

 

[flecc]

I have no idea, they just cannot see the bigger picture. It reminds of those that try to ban boxing. They just ignore the numerous benefits of the sport because the tiny perceived risks.

Yes, a very good example.
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[burncycle]

I know we wont agree on this flecc and others, but heads are my forte and ive seen the best and worst. 26 years experience in this field.
You can take my advise or not.

At the end of the day its only your head.

 

[flecc]

Yes Bob, but why do people think they need to tell me that?

Don't you think it's a bit insulting? I do have a brain and I can think for myself.
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[keithhazel]

I have no idea, they just cannot see the bigger picture. It reminds of those that try to ban boxing. They just ignore the numerous benefits of the sport because the tiny perceived risks.

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i remember somewhere back where someone said something about if the brain hit the scull at some speed you would be dead, or something to that effect, so can you please explain to me the health benifits by having a boxing glove smashed into your face several hundred times in a bout, and befor someone says, "but its only a padded glove"....if you never seen one close up its extremely firm...you could hurt someone hitting them with a ball of cotton wool.......if your fist was behind it..

 

[flecc]

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so can you please explain to me the health benifits by having a boxing glove smashed into your face several hundred times in a bout,

Martin only said benefits, not the benefits of being struck.

The health benefits of boxing are a slim fit body in perfect trim, plus the healthy mind and personal physical control that results from that sport, particularly in the amateur wing.
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[keithhazel]

Martin only said health benefits, not the benefits of being struck.

The health benefits of boxing are a slim fit body in perfect trim, plus the healthy mind and personal physical control that results from that sport, particularly in the amateur wing.
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only mentioning the "health benifits" is a bit like mentioning all the benifits of being a gambling addict, "the flash cars, big house,holidays..the "best e-bike", but we dont want to talk about the lives it damages, lets only talk about the good........you can get fit and healthy without wanting to knock someone out, of course there will be someone that says, "but you dont aim to knock someone out or hurt them, its just a sport"... we know what rubbish that is as talk to any boxer and he will admitt he's aiming to "hurt" his oponent, if he had any other attitude he would be a one round cabbage....and while it provides many people with massive incomes in the wing, it also provides massive incomes outside for the few, also millions of people it touches via bussiness it generates, its a bit like smoking, the goverment might like to stop it for the health of the public but really they wouldnt want to lose the money they get in tax,.......next someone will tell me that "ultimate boxing"...(please correct me on the name) is good too

 

[flecc]

I repeat, Martin didn't mention health, you did, and I responded to that.

And anyway, what makes you think you can tell others what to do?

I think it's their business.
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[keithhazel]

Yes Keith, some of the benefits include getting kids off the streets and into the gym, the sport gives them discipline and sets them goals to achieve. It also teaches them respect for others.

Much worse injuries are sustained playing rugby, but this is never mentioned
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benifits, benifits, benifits......yes i totally agree on all that you and Flecc have mentioned about benifits........yes rugby is rough, i only ever once went in a scrum and thought my head had been ripped off, i read once about a man sitting in a waiting room once, someone called his name, he turned round and his neck snapped. ..yes a extreme freak accident, but you never hear of so much as a broken fingernail from scrums..is it a cover up...lol...
ask muhammed ali about the benifits...talk about all his money he has got, his fame, loved by the masses...oh wait a minute thats a waste of time as he wont understand a bit of it as rather cabbageised through constant batterings.. ..lets get back to bikes..

 

[keithhazel]

I repeat, Martin didn't mention health, you did, and I responded to that.

And anyway, what makes you think you can tell others what to do?

I think it's their business.
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i didnt tell anyone what to do, i did express my opinion just like anyone else has..back to bikes..."im not "telling" you to though

 

[PinkFloyd]

Quite a lot of discussion about the "head" here..... what about the rest of the body? I can't see why a polystyrene hat is so important, wouldn't it be more sensible to wear a codpiece to protect your nuts, kneepads to protect your knees, elbow pads to protect your elbows, steel toe capped boots to protect your feet, gum shields to protect your teeth and reinforced gloves to protect your hands.........

Helmet only protects the top of the noggin, why don't they fit an airbag on bikes? Now, there's an idea

 

[nigel]

Well said pink floyd
we all seem so concerned about the nutjob as you say what about the rest anyway most times when a person falls its normally hands first but no doubt i will be proved wrong nigel.

 

[PinkFloyd]

Well said pink floyd
we all seem so concerned about the nutjob as you say what about the rest anyway most times when a person falls its normally hands first but no doubt i will be proved wrong nigel.

I went arse over tit outside the local shop (foot got trapped in my knog when I was dismounting) first to hit the deck was my arm.... head totally OK...... A helmet would probably be a good idea if you smashed into the back of a bus at speed.

 

[flecc]

The only way to protect on two wheels is a frame surround and being strapped in place:

 

[keithhazel]

Well said pink floyd
we all seem so concerned about the nutjob as you say what about the rest anyway most times when a person falls its normally hands first but no doubt i will be proved wrong nigel.

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no you dead right hands first as natural to do, always wear gloves i do back from motor bike days, keping warm in winter is good too,

 

[keithhazel]

The only way to protect on two wheels is a frame surround and being strapped in place:

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however did you notice no gloves, he goes over what will first reaction be, not good advertiseing i dont think

 

[burncycle]

sorry for the slow return (at work).
At the end of the day its your head and you can do with it what you want.
Do you want it fried, boiled or scrambled.

PS just bought myself a Giro Indicator helmet (for the use of.....).