I agree. It needs to stop. Who are they? Can we have the user names of those who carry out this practice?
it's me, tillson. I advise woosh on how to make better bikes.
OK, thanks, I didn't know that. A bit of a grey area as to whether you are, "trade" or not. I can't really see any harm either way.
I thought we had trade members signing in with false user IDs and then pretending to be satisfied customers, giving glowing reviews of their products. That would be a bit naughty.
I lingered on this forum for quite a while before expressing my interest in buying a couple of ebikes at which point I came on asking for advice. I was already familiar with forum members such as Kudoscycles, Ezeecycles and others. I was a little confused by Trex but it dawned on me gradually that he supported Woosh in some capacity.
My initial thoughts were towards Woosh bikes but they moved away fro Cambridge at just the wrong time and made themselves, frankly, inaccessible at the other end of the country. Woosh have only started posting again very recently and quite honestly there were times when I would have loved them to have responded to my requirements regarding test riding a Woosh bike nearer home, but they didn't.
In fact I ended up buying a Vita Uno thanks to Kudos Dave posting information on here about his London Electric Bike contact, and a Juicy Classic thanks to Juicy Bikes picking up on my interest in their bike. I am happy with both bikes and can say with some certainty that I would not have bought either, had Dave and Bob not made the effort to 'reach out to me' on the forum. I actually bought the Vita Uno 'blind' because at that point I trusted Kudos Dave enough to know that he would see me right with the bike. Conversly, I probably didn't buy a Woosh bike because they did not make the effort to respond to my postings and to make a couple of bikes more readily available for us to try out.
Bob of Juicy Bikes made a comment to me when I visited him, that he does not post as much as he used to on the forum because there are too many guys on there with a commercial interest and he didn't want to be seen as one of them. So he searches for 'Juicy Bike' and gives input just when his help is needed. But I disagree with Bob's opinion of the forum. I actually value the mix of personal and commercial input but I do think that the commercial posters should make it clear who they represent as it seems somewhat disingenuous for them not to. I value the experience of the retailers on here and respect the years of wisdom that they can impart to us inexperienced members.
Anyway my two penny worth from an inexperienced member who is grateful for both personal and commercial members who have taken the trouble to assist me over the past month.
My initial thoughts were towards Woosh bikes but they moved away fro Cambridge at just the wrong time and made themselves, frankly, inaccessible at the other end of the country. Woosh have only started posting again very recently and quite honestly there were times when I would have loved them to have responded to my requirements regarding test riding a Woosh bike nearer home, but they didn't.
In fact I ended up buying a Vita Uno thanks to Kudos Dave posting information on here about his London Electric Bike contact, and a Juicy Classic thanks to Juicy Bikes picking up on my interest in their bike. I am happy with both bikes and can say with some certainty that I would not have bought either, had Dave and Bob not made the effort to 'reach out to me' on the forum. I actually bought the Vita Uno 'blind' because at that point I trusted Kudos Dave enough to know that he would see me right with the bike. Conversly, I probably didn't buy a Woosh bike because they did not make the effort to respond to my postings and to make a couple of bikes more readily available for us to try out.
Bob of Juicy Bikes made a comment to me when I visited him, that he does not post as much as he used to on the forum because there are too many guys on there with a commercial interest and he didn't want to be seen as one of them. So he searches for 'Juicy Bike' and gives input just when his help is needed. But I disagree with Bob's opinion of the forum. I actually value the mix of personal and commercial input but I do think that the commercial posters should make it clear who they represent as it seems somewhat disingenuous for them not to. I value the experience of the retailers on here and respect the years of wisdom that they can impart to us inexperienced members.
Anyway my two penny worth from an inexperienced member who is grateful for both personal and commercial members who have taken the trouble to assist me over the past month.
And that's my two-pennyworth too, from the first ever forum member with nine years in here.
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At one time there was a trader who had so many aliases that he forgot who he was meant to be,he even started arguing with himself and finally blew his cover by signing off with his real name. I have visions of 3 lap tops in front,with Tom,Dick and Harry written on.
I thought it had stopped lately,I had a spat with a guy recently who appeared to know more about the bike than the manufacturer and then asked others opinions.
These aliases tend to have low number of postings and then die when their job has been done,only to be reincarnated later.
It does undermine the credibility of the forum and newbies who seek advice dont know whether that advice is impartial or otherwise,which is a shame.
KudosDave
Thanks Pauline, but I hope you don't mean I suggested I want to hide my commercial interest! I certainly don't.
I'm both an investor and Director of Juicy Bikes and spend most of my time working with just that company. I did also put many hours into BEBA and now hope to get more involved with the BA as a member of their E-Bike Group.
Sarah, the only other Director spends most of her time looking after our Sister Company, Eco-Republic.
I think I make my interest clear on every post through my signature. It's those that post without declaring their interests, either as an investor or as employee that I find a real turn-off from full participation and I prefer to just scan occasionally.
Near the truth perhaps. When I visited the trader in question the office had four staff laptops, rather than work stations.
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Who are the traders who engage in this practice and which user names do they post under? I think it would be useful to know.
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Well we know the alias of the director of Mercedes UK... now that wasn't very Smart of me was it
now that wasn't very Smart of me was it
Absolutely not! Sorry if it came over in that way. No I took your reluctance to be on the forum too much as due to not wanting to seem too commercially driven on here.Thanks Pauline, but I hope you don't mean I suggested I want to hide my commercial interest! I certainly don't.
I think though that any contributions from you and other commercial members would be valued by other members and seen for what it is, that is giving your experience to other members and not just a way to advertise your business.
But who are they and which user names are they posting under? I have no idea which bike dealer has four lap-top computers and I don't understand the necessity for cryptic or coded replies. The identity of these individuals is either known or it is not known. If their identity is known, then it should be published otherwise this whole thread and discusion is completely pointless. If their identity is not known and the thread is based on superstition, then it should stop because it is misleading and / or unfair.
So far we have trex who says that he has helps Woosh improve their bikes. Is that it? Does trex own four lap-top computers?
So far we have trex who says that he has helps Woosh improve their bikes. Is that it? Does trex own four lap-top computers?
The difficulty is the 'ringers' come and go and use different names, so outing a particular username is of limited value.
I don't think the problem is widespread, but there may have been false posters on here who I've not spotted.
After all, if they are any good at what they do, none of us should be able to spot them.
It's unfortunate for genuine new members who post of their good experience with a particular bike, because they automatically come under suspicion.
The dealer Kudos and I in reply have referred to did that in past and has long appeared to have given up the practice. Since they learnt their lesson and have reformed, I've no wish to belatedly put the boot in by naming them.
In any case I couldn't prove the accusation since posts can get removed and even when not are difficult to locate with the current search facility.
I don't see a big problem now since a few others who didn't declare their trade employment when posting, seem to have disappeared altogether.
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I've just remembered a thread in which someone calling themselves jresa was posting bad reviews regarding a bike:
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/electric-mountain-bikes-no-one-will-buy-one.22070/page-12#post-277344
Most of what he said was removed from the thread. They stopped posting when it was suggested that the moderators looked at jresa's IP address and try to match it against other people who had posted from the same IP address.
Was jresa from a bike company?
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/electric-mountain-bikes-no-one-will-buy-one.22070/page-12#post-277344
Most of what he said was removed from the thread. They stopped posting when it was suggested that the moderators looked at jresa's IP address and try to match it against other people who had posted from the same IP address.
Was jresa from a bike company?
I agree, and it's not as if they did it fifty times or anything like that.
But when they start doing it, they do so with regular frequency.
Yes that is correct Tillson,they do it in cycles!!!
KudosDave
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