Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

Now you are just being cussed with your opening sentences. Your fourth sentence showed you knew exactly what I meant in my post, the relative populations, but you just wanted to make out I'd meant something different.

You really can be such a obvious twerp at times.
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I decided to state the bleeding obvious... .There were no Russian citizens in Ukraine in 2014 . Except for normal visitors in tourist accommodation , businessmen on secondment, and Russian military personnel in naval depot and barracks in Crimea, under lease agreements or fraternal arrangements with the Ukrainian State.
By parroting statements like" Russians" ,you are promoting the narrative that they were an indigenous population being trampled down against their will. You may have only intended it as a shorthand, but it has consequences. After 2014, Moscow started seeding that area with Russians for the purpose of creating dissention.

 

[oyster]

An accessible FT article.

Truss’s growth plan is nothing but a magic potion
Hoping that reality will adapt to your desires is folly: Britain needs stable and credible policies, not zealotry

Truss’s growth plan is nothing but a magic potion | Financial Times

Hoping that reality will adapt to your desires is folly: Britain needs stable and credible policies, not zealotry

www.ft.com

 

[flecc]

I decided to state the bleeding obvious... .There were no Russian citizens in Ukraine in 2014 . Except for normal visitors in tourist accommodation , businessmen on secondment, and Russian military personnel in naval depot and barracks in Crimea, under lease agreements or fraternal arrangements with the Ukrainian State.
By parroting statements like" Russians" ,you are promoting the narrative that they were an indigenous population being trampled down against their will. You may have only intended it as a shorthand, but it has consequences. After 2014, Moscow started seeding that area with Russians for the purpose of creating dissention.

My post did not in any way give the impression " that they were an indigenous population being trampled down against their will." Except perhaps in your imagination. As I asked before, please stop distorting what I post by deliberately mispresenting it.

This whole reply from you is a distortion of reality in more than one way, particularly in implying a racial purity which the population of Ukraine do not have. Amongst others they are Ukrainian, Polish, Lithuanian and Russian, as the languages they speak show and as fits a "bitsa" country only recently assembled and barely over a century old.

They are all at least bilingual, but in some areas settle for one language. For example, in Kherson the only language used by all is Russian, yet that city is well to the west, a very long way from Russia's border. This invalidates your claim of recent infiltration into border regions being the only Russian element. They only speak Russian there since it was long a Russian shipbuilding centre on the Dnieper river with a predominantly Russian and Russian background population.

Like so many you have swallowed all the western propaganda instead of dismissing it like the Russian propaganda. As someone who was an adult when Khruschev switched administrative control of the region to Ukraine, I know how recently it was very Russian indeed, an important part of the USSR and with a large proportion living there having been born in Russia and therefore of Russian nationality.

Just as I know that the 2014 war was solely begun by Ukrainians who were of Russian background and sympathising separatists, Russia only then first supplying arms and much later fighting men.
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[jonathan.agnew]

An accessible FT article.

Truss’s growth plan is nothing but a magic potion
Hoping that reality will adapt to your desires is folly: Britain needs stable and credible policies, not zealotry

Truss’s growth plan is nothing but a magic potion | Financial Times

Hoping that reality will adapt to your desires is folly: Britain needs stable and credible policies, not zealotry

www.ft.com

Chancellor U-turns on plans to scrap top tax rate - BBC News

Kwasi Kwarteng says the proposal was "drowning out a strong package" to boost economic growth.

www.bbc.co.uk

WTF happened to "being prepared to do unpopular things"? I for one, like many labour voters, like fully cooked goose

 

[oyster]

Chancellor U-turns on plans to scrap top tax rate - BBC News

Kwasi Kwarteng says the proposal was "drowning out a strong package" to boost economic growth.

www.bbc.co.uk

WTF happened to "being prepared to do unpopular things"? I for one, like many labour voters, like fully cooked goose

The decision to scrap this band was a completely unforced error.

Now the rate itself is being blamed on some historic Labour government. As if coalition and tory governments since have somehow been unable to change it (scrap, change bands, or adjust rate - up or down).

And as if many of those liable to that rate don't put in considerable effort to minimising their exposure to this and other taxes. Options not open to many of us.

The optics were appalling. That MET and KK could make the decision without, apparently, noticing that indicates severe incompetence.

The justifications offered were laughable. No sensible and proper explanation was offered.

Even were it the right choice, the ineptitude is plainly staggering.

 

[oyster]

The decision to scrap this band was a completely unforced error.

Now the rate itself is being blamed on some historic Labour government. As if coalition and tory governments since have somehow been unable to change it (scrap, change bands, or adjust rate - up or down).

And as if many of those liable to that rate don't put in considerable effort to minimising their exposure to this and other taxes. Options not open to many of us.

The optics were appalling. That MET and KK could make the decision without, apparently, noticing that indicates severe incompetence.

The justifications offered were laughable. No sensible and proper explanation was offered.

Even were it the right choice, the ineptitude is plainly staggering.

KK has gut issues. Needs to see a doctor as he is suffering from slow digestion.

[Probably only makes sense if you listened to Radio 4 interview.]

 

[esuark]

The decision to scrap this band was a completely unforced error.

Now the rate itself is being blamed on some historic Labour government. As if coalition and tory governments since have somehow been unable to change it (scrap, change bands, or adjust rate - up or down).

And as if many of those liable to that rate don't put in considerable effort to minimising their exposure to this and other taxes. Options not open to many of us.

The optics were appalling. That MET and KK could make the decision without, apparently, noticing that indicates severe incompetence.

The justifications offered were laughable. No sensible and proper explanation was offered.

Even were it the right choice, the ineptitude is plainly staggering.

Just shows how out of touch they are in their own little circle. Always have been for the most part.

 

[Woosh]

Just shows how out of touch they are in their own little circle. Always have been for the most part.

it's the consequence of cakeism than BJ and the brexiteers are so fond of.
Truss and KK will eventually get it that the rest of the world doesn't want to pay for her tax cuts.

 

[esuark]

cakeism

I`d call it another "ism" beginning with a "c".

 

[oyster]

it's the consequence of cakeism than BJ and the brexiteers are so fond of.

Cack-ism?

 

[Danidl]

My post did not in any way give the impression " that they were an indigenous population being trampled down against their will." Except perhaps in your imagination. As I asked before, please stop distorting what I post by deliberately mispresenting it.

This whole reply from you is a distortion of reality in more than one way, particularly in implying a racial purity which the population of Ukraine do not have. Amongst others they are Ukrainian, Polish, Lithuanian and Russian, as the languages they speak show and as fits a "bitsa" country only recently assembled and barely over a century old.

They are all at least bilingual, but in some areas settle for one language. For example, in Kherson the only language used by all is Russian, yet that city is well to the west, a very long way from Russia's border. This invalidates your claim of recent infiltration into border regions being the only Russian element. They only speak Russian there since it was long a Russian shipbuilding centre on the Dnieper river with a predominantly Russian and Russian background population.

Like so many you have swallowed all the western propaganda instead of dismissing it like the Russian propaganda. As someone who was an adult when Khruschev switched administrative control of the region to Ukraine, I know how recently it was very Russian indeed, an important part of the USSR and with a large proportion living there having been born in Russia and therefore of Russian nationality.

Just as I know that the 2014 war was solely begun by Ukrainians who were of Russian background and sympathising separatists, Russia only then first supplying arms and much later fighting men.
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This was not about speaking Russian. Putin makes the outrageous claim that wherever there are Russians ( in whatever way he chooses to define it), he can go there and liberate them from any oppression ,real or imaginary.

 

[esuark]

just read this on the BBC site,a Kwasi quote............. "He described the reception as a Tory "party event", adding: "We have party events all the time."

Nothings changed then!

 

[flecc]

just read this on the BBC site,a Kwasi quote............. "He described the reception as a Tory "party event", adding: "We have party events all the time."

Nothings changed then!

He really is politically dumb to make a statement like that.
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[oyster]

This was not about speaking Russian. Putin makes the outrageous claim that wherever there are Russians ( in whatever way he chooses to define it), he can go there and liberate them from any oppression ,real or imaginary.

3.1 million ethnic Russians in the USA. Perhaps Putin will try to "liberate" them next?

Start with reneging on the Alaska deal. (Over 80% of Fox River, Alaska population are said to be ethnic Russian.)

 

[flecc]

Putin makes the outrageous claim that wherever there are Russians ( in whatever way he chooses to define it), he can go there and liberate them from any oppression ,real or imaginary.

Fully agree, he can't do that without high cost as current events show. None of this need ever have happened if the USA had not interfered with other's business, always thinking they know best when they very obviously never do.

The eventual sad thing is that Russia will come out of this with something in order to achieve peace. And that something they'll use to nurse a grievance, assuring further trouble into the future.

It's all so predictable yet avoidable, just as it was in the 1990s and early 2000s.
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[esuark]

Tory conference: Labour favourites to win power at next election, says John Curtice

Liz Truss is now as unpopular with voters as Boris Johnson when he was ousted, says veteran pollster.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I`d call it another "ism" beginning with a "c".

Indeed, and I see kwasi insist openly that "what happened in the gilt market (that cost £65 billion) had nothing to do with the mini budget". Theres hope yet (from a labour perspective), one of the idiots is still furiously digging (a political grave) one could bury all of them in.

 

[oyster]

Tory conference: Labour favourites to win power at next election, says John Curtice

Liz Truss is now as unpopular with voters as Boris Johnson when he was ousted, says veteran pollster.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just saw that and scan read.

Astonishingly awful. First, for the country. Second, and deservedly, for the tories.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Just saw that and scan read.

Astonishingly awful. First, for the country. Second, and deservedly, for the tories.

Yes, as one commentator say, by the time Michael gove is ones (defacto ours) voice of reason, its indeed a deep **** scenario

 

[Woosh]

None of this need ever have happened if the USA had not interfered with other's business, always thinking they know best when they very obviously never do.

Reagan, Bush, Obama etc could not foresee what Putin is going to do.
So mustn't the USA do anything because of possible consequences in years to come?