Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Reagan, Bush, Obama etc could not foresee what Putin is going to do.
So mustn't the USA do anything because of possible consequences in years to come?

What a strange point of view!

Of course they should do nothing with regard to the internal business of any other country. It's none of their business.

Given the appalling mess they made by such interference from 1948 on, in such as Palestine, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and not least in Russian relations, and now the increasing tensions with China, they should surely have learnt by now that they invariably produce a poor outcome, usually very much worse than at the outset.

That list of countries I gave above are the living proof to this day of their political incompetence.
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[Woosh]

What a strange point of view!

Of course they should do nothing with regard to the internal business of any other country. It's none of their business.

Given the appalling mess they made by such interference from 1948 on, in such as Palestine, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and not least in Russian relations, and now the increasing tensions with China, they should surely have learnt by now that they invariably produce a poor outcome, usually very much worse than at the outset.

That list of countries I gave above are the living proof to this day of their political incompetence.
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are you saying that they should not have a foreign policy toward Russia because that would be interfering? Are you also implying that the CIA shouldn't exist?

 

[flecc]

are you saying that they should not have a foreign policy toward Russia because that would be interfering? Are you also implying that the CIA shouldn't exist?

Have I said that? No I haven't.

Don't like Danidl pretend I've posted what I haven't.

Having a foreign policy doesn't include interfering with a country's internal affairs, nor does it include invading another country for no good reason, nor does it include engineering and conducting proxy wars.
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[Woosh]

Have I said that? No I haven't.

Don't like Danidl pretend I've posted what I haven't.

Having a foreign policy doesn't include interfering with a country's internal affairs, nor does it include invading another country for no good reason, nor does it include engineering and conducting proxy wars.
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no, you did not say those things in clear text but I think it's easy to guess where you stand on issues of foreign policies when it concerns the superpowers.
I merely point out the potential contradiction in your posts.

 

[flecc]

I merely point out the potential contradiction in your posts.

One that only exists in your mind, due to reading with a prior biased view.
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[Woosh]

One that only exists in your mind, due to reading with a prior biased view.
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You condemn Putin and yet tried to put the blame on the USA and NATO. That may appear sophisticated to others but to me, it is incoherent. Politicians can misuse the power invested in them. When they do, removing them from power is totally justified.
The world is bad enough without needing those politicians like Putin.

 

[flecc]

You condemn Putin and yet tried to put the blame on the USA and NATO. That may appear sophisticated to others but to me, it is incoherent. Politicians can misuse the power invested in them. When they do, removing them from power is totally justified.
The world is bad enough without needing those politicians like Putin.

It is not in any way incoherent to condemn both.

The USA's politicians misused their power by interference in Russian affairs, resulting in Putin getting into power to misuse his position.

The world is bad enough without needing the USA's incompetent politicians creating all the messes I listed, but you seem blind to all that carnage and the root causes.
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[guerney]

Kwasi Kwasi didn't explicitly say in his speech that the top rate of tax change plan would be dropped, which leaves the option for further lucrative pound short selling later.

How a GE can be triggered, is a puzzle which needs a rapid solution.

 

[guerney]

KK has gut issues. Needs to see a doctor as he is suffering from slow digestion.

[Probably only makes sense if you listened to Radio 4 interview.]

Gut issues are another autism symptom, which I believe he suffers from. His PhD was on 'the recoinage crisis of 1695-97... a historian academic comfy under a rock, a fish out of water, not a numbers or people person.

 

[guerney]

She's already done so, as far as I can see.

The fallout from the LK interview is pretty much a pyroclastic flow. Just about to leave MET and KK in some kind of preserved condition and, hopefully, buried for at least many centuries.

Gove has, more or less, said he won't vote for the so-called mini-budget. And he almost certainly carries quite a number with him.

All who vote against will lose the tory whip.

Two options, MET and KK go. Or the tory party goes down the plug-hole - with, I imagine, the creation of some sort of new party.

Party members have Corbyned the Tory party, MPs will have to crown sneaky Sunak to have any hope of winning the next GE. They'll have to bury this bad episode with Truss, and it's unlikely to work.

 

[guerney]

Indeed, and I see kwasi insist openly that "what happened in the gilt market (that cost £65 billion) had nothing to do with the mini budget". Theres hope yet (from a labour perspective), one of the idiots is still furiously digging (a political grave) one could bury all of them in.

Of course... trouble is there are more than a few Tory zealots, who want to believe their lies. Two years is sufficient time to alter memory and perception of the thick redwallers. I'm hoping this is as deep as the Tory rabbit hole goes, now that the kernel of madness which drives the conservatives over this side of the pond, has also been revealed incarnate. They should have hidden the kwasi.

 

[guerney]

Prep for a light nuking?

Nuclear weapons convoy sparks fears Putin could be preparing test to send ‘signal to the West’

Train operated by secretive nuclear division spotted in central Russia heading towards the front line in Ukraine

www.telegraph.co.uk

Threat of a more thorough nuking?

Putin deploys world’s largest submarine with ‘apocalypse’ drone capabilities

A new video shows what appears to be a train hauling military equipment linked to a division of the Russian Ministry of Defense that it in charge of the country’s nuclear arsenal. Meanwhile, …

nypost.com

 

[oldgroaner]

BoomerKC
@BoomerK

Replying to

@francis_scarr

Russian Soldier "We are now fighting NATO"
Soldier's Mother "Are we winning?"
Soldier "We have lost so many ships, aircraft, tanks, over 60,000 thousand troops and so much equipment"
Mother "What have NATO lost?"
Soldier" They've not joined the war yet"

 

[oldgroaner]

Prep for a light nuking?

Nuclear weapons convoy sparks fears Putin could be preparing test to send ‘signal to the West’

Train operated by secretive nuclear division spotted in central Russia heading towards the front line in Ukraine

www.telegraph.co.uk

Threat of a more thorough nuking?

Putin deploys world’s largest submarine with ‘apocalypse’ drone capabilities

A new video shows what appears to be a train hauling military equipment linked to a division of the Russian Ministry of Defense that it in charge of the country’s nuclear arsenal. Meanwhile, …

nypost.com

And won't they be pleased when Ukraine destroys the train and the Russian Sub mysteriously disappears, just a coincidence USA Hunter Killer sub where doing live firing exercises in the area
Sincere apologies and all that

 

[Woosh]

It is not in any way incoherent to condemn both.

The USA's politicians misused their power by interference in Russian affairs, resulting in Putin getting into power to misuse his position.

The world is bad enough without needing the USA's incompetent politicians creating all the messes I listed, but you seem blind to all that carnage and the root causes.
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'root causes' is an easy word. Where would you stop? The Napoleonic war?

 

[oyster]

'root causes' is an easy word. Where would you stop? The Napoleonic war?

It's the serpent wot dun it.

 

[oyster]

Of course... trouble is there are more than a few Tory zealots, who want to believe their lies. Two years is sufficient time to alter memory and perception of the thick redwallers. I'm hoping this is as deep as the Tory rabbit hole goes, now that the kernel of madness which drives the conservatives over this side of the pond, has also been revealed incarnate. They should have hidden the kwasi.

Remember, at the bottom of the rabbit hole is an entire wonderland of craziness.

 

[oyster]

'root causes' is an easy word. Where would you stop? The Napoleonic war?

I see people claiming to be working their way to the root cause of their thyroid issues.

Truth is, the process of root cause analysis is all too often one of being persuaded to buy product after product in a never ending wild goose chase.

It is sometimes suggested one form of thyroid disease is (sometimes) caused by Epstein Barr Virus. Fine. But what do you do now, 10, 20, 30 years later?

That root cause only really matters at the time of the EBV when some form of anti-viral agent might help, or some other treatment to reduce or eliminate whatever damage it causes.

 

[flecc]

'root causes' is an easy word. Where would you stop? The Napoleonic war?

Why don't you stick to what I post instead of replying with the ridiculous?

I illustrated all the US actions with ill effects from 1948 to the present day. In other words current history within the lifetime of many, showing a continuing persistent evil that is still here right now.

At least the evil of the USSR and it's Russian core stopped some thirty years ago, and it could have remained completely absent permanently, but for the USA's bigoted political response.

If the USA would only change course and recognise the rights of others to be politically different, I woudn't even mention root causes. But far from doing that, as well as being the root cause of today's war, they are even now trying to make more trouble in the China seas which could well trigger a whole new conflict.
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[Woosh]

At least the evil of the USSR and it's Russian core stopped some thirty years ago, and it could have remained completely absent permanently, but for the USA's bigoted political response.

what I believe is completely different to your view. Russia is fine until Ukraine elected Poroshenko in 2014. It becomes clear where Ukrainians are heading, away from Russia and eventually, join the EU. Putin wanted to stop that by force. He now theatens all NATO countries. Putin needs to be stopped. It's simplistic but there it is, it's my sense of right and wrong.