Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,365
16,870
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
Buying from the EU

We've heard a lot from companies in the EU saying it's not worth selling and sending lower value items to the UK now we've left the EU. However an experience I've just had casts lots of doubt on that.

With a very old cheap and cheerful blender finally failing, I was in need of another for my light occasional usage. Looking online at the range of prices for one, mostly ranging from an excessive £60 to a bonkers £799, I spotted one from Philips at £19.99, much more like it for such a simple device to be used only occasionally.

I ordered it late on Friday and received prompt confirmation with a target delivery from Eindhoven, Holland of Late Tuesday via UPS at £5.99.

Both Philips and UPS kept in touch day by day with updates, the only hitch being a slight delay in Customs which caused the delivery to be delayed overnight to Wednesday, my receiving it this morning.

I've tried the product out and it's excellent, performing better than expected and great value at this price with two year warranty. The delivery charge very reasonable too, via UPS, one of the better couriers rather than a cheapjack "service" like Yahoo keeping me in the dark and delivering at unholy hours.

If Philips can do it on such a good low cost item, it gives the lie to the impossibilities we've seen claimed for the EU to trade with the UK.

No hitches at all? Just one not affecting me. An hour after receiving the delivery, UPS emailed to say they would deliver it tomorrow between 10.30 and 14.30 which of course they will find rather difficult.

This is the product if you are interested.
.
the situation of a large organisation such as ebay, amazon and Philips is substantially different from smaller ones.
1. freight cost. Small organisations have to rely on the post office. Sending a first class large letter (100g) to EU tracked and signed: £8.65, send in a motor wheel to France for example: £19 with Parcel2Go/DPD.
So if you sell a pedal sensor for £6, it will cost you £8.65 to post it to France.
2. Rules of origin. Big organisations don't have a problem with this, small ones do.
Although checks are rare, you still can't operate on the basis that you may or may not be certain about what to put on the shipment when you bought the parts from China to build a bike with them. If you put 'China' as origin, you just hand over the head ache to your customer.
3. VAT payment. If you have already got a VAT account in the EU, your customer don't have to worry about this. Smaller organisations don't, the couriers have to deal with VAT declaration and payment, they'll charge your customer for the service. On my kits, it's about 15 euros on top the the VAT.
 
Last edited:
  • Agree
Reactions: oyster

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
Tweet of the day
Lowkey
@Lowkey0nline



The British Crown legally owns 6.6 billion acres of land across the world. That is a sixth of the earth's surface. Charles is now the world's largest landowner, but I am sure that has nothing to do with colonialism...
My reaction
The Empire strikes (behind your) back:cool:
 
  • Like
Reactions: oyster

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,191
30,598
The British Crown legally owns 6.6 billion acres of land across the world. That is a sixth of the earth's surface. Charles is now the world's largest landowner
It's meaningless. Neither the Queen nor he personally own the land, nor can either have ever personally managed the land since they have no control over virtually all of it and all of the income from it goes directly into the treasury for our benefit.

There is no way we can ever attempt to take physical possession of it, barring lessons from Putin or ISIS.

And would anyone envy the life of our king or queen, I certainly wouldn't. Harry had the right idea, get the hell out of it ASAP, with plenty of pocket money.
.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zlatan

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
Even the bloomin' Express is asking about Russia and brexit:


Russian meddling in Brexit claims explored as critics say UK a 'target' of Putin
An official from within the Biden administration claimed on Tuesday the US intelligence community found Russia has spent more than $300million (£260million) on influencing foreign politics since 2014.
By Ollie Corfe
08:25, Thu, Sep 15, 2022 | UPDATED: 11:17, Thu, Sep 15, 2022
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,191
30,598
Even the bloomin' Express is asking about Russia and brexit:


Russian meddling in Brexit claims explored as critics say UK a 'target' of Putin
An official from within the Biden administration claimed on Tuesday the US intelligence community found Russia has spent more than $300million (£260million) on influencing foreign politics since 2014.
By Ollie Corfe
08:25, Thu, Sep 15, 2022 | UPDATED: 11:17, Thu, Sep 15, 2022
No mention of how much the USA and CIA spent meddling in other's politics?
.
 

jonathan.agnew

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 27, 2018
2,400
3,381
It's meaningless. Neither the Queen nor he personally own the land, nor can either have ever personally managed the land since they have no control over virtually all of it and all of the income from it goes directly into the treasury for our benefit.

There is no way we can ever attempt to take physical possession of it, barring lessons from Putin or ISIS.

And would anyone envy the life of our king or queen, I certainly wouldn't. Harry had the right idea, get the hell out of it ASAP, with plenty of pocket money.
.
the idea that charles has a hard life is right up there with boris saying "he is a booster rocket for democracy in the uk" or truss presenting herself as "the stabilizer of our currency and economy". But hey, 18 million voters buy that kind of thing.
 
Last edited:

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,191
30,598
the idea that charles has a hard life is right up there with boris saying "he is a booster rocket for democracy in the uk" or truss presenting herself as "the stabilizer of our currency and economy". But hey, 18 million voters buy that kind of thing.
You make the mistake of connecting true quality of life to wealth, the most miserable people I've met in my life have been the most wealthy.

The life of our King or Queen is certainly not a hard one, but it's without doubt their duties and meeting large numbers of people they wouldn't choose to meet and who are usually acting awkwardly and unnaturally must be both tedious and irritating. Especially when they are expected to always be smiling and welcoming.

And what point is there to wealth when they cannot live the life of their own choice much of the time, or live where they want to most of the time. The Queen was well known to have hated Buckingham Palace and escaped to Sandringham whenever there was a several days gap in duties. The Queen Mother similarly escaped to her favourite Balmoral whenever she could when she was Queen and Charles chose to live far away at Highgrove House.

And Harry showed his true feelings by wanting to get the hell out of all of it and get even further way by leaving the country.
.
 
Last edited:

jonathan.agnew

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 27, 2018
2,400
3,381
You make the mistake of connecting true quality of life to wealth, the most miserable people I've met in my life have been the most wealthy.

The life of our King or Queen is certainly not a hard one, but it's without doubt their duties and meeting large numbers of people they wouldn't choose to meet and who are usually acting awkwardly and unnaturally must be both tedious and irritating. Especially when they are expected to always be smiling and welcoming.

And what point is there to wealth when they cannot live the life of their own choice much of the time, or live where they want to most of the time. The Queen was well known to have hated Buckingham Palace and escaped to Sandringham whenever there was a several days gap in duties. The Queen Mother similarly escaped to her favourite Balmoral whenever she could when she was Queen and Charles chose to live far away at Highgrove House.

And Harry showed his true feelings by wanting to get the hell out of all of it and get even further way by leaving the country.
.
Intrinsically I agree with you. We live in a narcissistic society in which apparent wealth, success and happiness can become an expensive facade, gilded cage as you describe. Charles (and the royal family) could reduce their role, sell of the royal assets (God knows we need the money) and go and re-educate themselves to do something meaningful). But they choose not to, and it costs taxpayers much more than several regional hospitals.
 
  • Like
  • Agree
Reactions: guerney and oyster

jonathan.agnew

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 27, 2018
2,400
3,381
Solar home charging will work for somein UK, specifically those who don't actually need a car in first place. How many would go to expense of building home charging system, then buy an expensive EV to save money on doing 120 miles per week. Putting that in perspective, my Jag, which you could currently buy for £10k or so averages 56mpg.. So at most 3 gallons (£18 at most, per week).. Saying something would/could work on practical issues is different to saying its economically worth while. A £12k investment in home solar system, and a £25k (minimum) on say an MG4 is not the way to go if you are only doing 120 miles a week.
For EV to make sense you must be doing the mileage in first place. If you aren't, stick to a cheap to run ICE.
My XF Jag, £30 a year to tax, 56 mpg and a nice place to be. Forget electric to save cash.
Idiosyncratic I know, but I bumped into this thread about using solar to charge an ev etc
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,191
30,598
Charles (and the royal family) could reduce their role, sell of the royal assets (God knows we need the money) and go and re-educate themselves to do something meaningful). But they choose not to, and it costs taxpayers much more than several regional hospitals.
Actually they can't reduce their role or sell off their wealth, since they are servants of the State, controlled like puppets by "The Palace", the administrative body which controls their lives and sets their entire year's diary a year in advance.

The reason for that is quite simple, the Royals are employees of the UK tourist industry which directly earns some £25 billions per annum plus more than twice that in incidental tourist spending. That's why they can't walk away with the money.

Even if the immediate family ganged up and walked away empty handed, they'd be replaced by the next in line. Either that or foreign nobility would be imported to do the job as has been done before many times.

And they are mentally unable to walk away, having been so thoroughly brainwashed into the role in their upbringing that they are incapable of deciding different.

Harry was lucky. Not being in line for the throne and escaping to the army at a young enough age to experience a different normality, he was able to escape the planned destiny, albeit with very obvious mental distress at times.
.
 
Last edited:

Zlatan

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 26, 2016
8,086
4,290
Idiosyncratic I know, but I bumped into this thread about using solar to charge an ev etc
I always feel sceptical about investing money to save money.. Perhaps I, m a cynic at heart but after investing in cars, chargers, electricians, solar systems, heat pumps and batteries I think I, d rather be wasting my money on things I know I enjoy. Bikes, windsurfing, boats and the likes.
As George Best said," I spent millions on wine, women and song and I wasted the rest"..
Investing in heat pump (or Ripple) is my current study, suspect investing in some more water ski kit will win. The heat pump might (or might not) save me a few quid. I know watching grandkids behind boat wasting money will make some good. memories.???
I don't think many investments give good value for money at moment. Waste it Jonathan. You, ll enjoy it loads more.!??

£1 per kWh!!!
 
Last edited:

jonathan.agnew

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 27, 2018
2,400
3,381
Actually they can't reduce their role or sell off their wealth, since they are servants of the State, controlled like puppets by "The Palace", the administrative body which controls their lives and sets their entire year's diary a year in advance.

The reason for that is quite simple, the Royals are employees of the UK tourist industry which directly earns some £25 billions per annum plus more than twice that in incidental tourist spending. That's why they can't walk away with the money.

Even if the immediate family ganged up and walked away empty handed, they'd be replaced by the next in line. Either that or foreign nobility would be imported to do the job as has been done before many times.

And they are mentally unable to walk away, having been so thoroughly brainwashed into the role in their upbringing that they are incapable of deciding different.

Harry was lucky. Not being in line for the throne and escaping to the army at a young enough age to experience a different normality, he was able to escape the planned destiny, albeit with very obvious mental distress at times.
.
Largely agree and should probably keep any other thoughts about monarchy to myself (gather a chipshop owner in Scotland was violently expelled from her village for celebrating Elizabeth's passing, were a nation of blind conformists as the Westminster system shows)
 

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
Largely agree and should probably keep any other thoughts about monarchy to myself (gather a chipshop owner in Scotland was violently expelled from her village for celebrating Elizabeth's passing, were a nation of blind conformists as the Westminster system shows)
A strange déjà vu/premonition - remember when Pope John Paul I was elected then died 33 days later?

I don't think we could take it if CIIIR did that.
 
Last edited:

Advertisers