Brexit, for once some facts.

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There is no simple solution since the cut price path is a one way street, a bit like falling into a very deep hole. Dead easy to do but very difficult to climb out of. Moving to low costs is very easy and welcomed by the voter. Reversing that is nigh on impossible.

If we were in strong economic situation we could borrow to provide all the benefits in advance of introducing promised higher costs, so the public could see the benefits of the different system.

But starting with just the higher costs accompanied by promises won't work, given the public's mistrust of politics now.
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if you are in a hole, stop digging! that may work.
 
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if you are in a hole, stop digging! that may work.
I can't see anything that can work for Labour to establish itself beyond one possible term. The combination of national debt, our circumstances and a middle of the road Starmer led government are going to lead to continuing voter dissatisfaction well into the future.
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Kier Starmer bundled into police car...
That scene reminds me of Trump's Proud Boys.
Unless I am mistaken, the Mail and zlatan posted about Savile weeks before.
 

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That scene reminds me of Trump's Proud Boys.
Unless I am mistaken, the Mail and zlatan posted about Savile weeks before.
Will we see Zlatan storming the capital by ebike? :eek:
 
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Starmer storms the moral high ground by this response re Carrie and her activities:

The Labour leader said: “I approach politics on the basis that we should treat people with respect. We can profoundly disagree but we should treat people with respect. And I would take exactly that approach with Carrie Johnson.

“Obviously, respect differences of opinion, but I do not go along with the idea that we should drag everybody into the gutter.”

Obviously ripe for revision if solid evidence comes out. :)
 

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Starmer storms the moral high ground by this response re Carrie and her activities:

The Labour leader said: “I approach politics on the basis that we should treat people with respect. We can profoundly disagree but we should treat people with respect. And I would take exactly that approach with Carrie Johnson.

“Obviously, respect differences of opinion, but I do not go along with the idea that we should drag everybody into the gutter.”

Obviously ripe for revision if solid evidence comes out. :)
Again, he's not taking any position with "And I would". Spineless and profoundly annoying. It's no wonder voters don't have a clue about what he actually stands for.
 

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so what do you think Labour should do to win votes?

Zlatan has already mentioned the problem with general education and attainment among Labour MPs compared to the conservatives.
Elocution lessons? Or forcing them to use their "Phone voice", at the very least. Entrenched, class is! (there's no Yoda icon)
 

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I went to pick up a prescription for a local anaesthetic skin cream/ointment to help with ongoing shingles pain. The pharmacy couldn't initially find it but then laughed - but I didn't know why.

When I eventually picked it up - it is Vagisil. I might be the only male having had that prescribed. :)

Seems it is the cheapest lidocaine product.

Isn't that just a local anaesthetic? Is your condition worsened by cold weather? Is avoiding arginine a good idea? Lots of arginine in Xmas celebratory activities: chocolates, nuts etc. Apply frozen peas (surrounded by thin cloth) to painful areas for 20 mins max three times a day, to reduce pain?
 

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Elocution lessons? Or forcing them to use their "Phone voice", at the very least. Entrenched, class is! (there's no Yoda icon)
I really have not a clue. The internet age has introduced so many new words that rubbish old values, like labelling political correctness as wokeism, decency as virtue signalling and you score a point with your home team. Not so long ago, schools insisted on teaching children how to handwrite and arithmetics. The mobile phone changed all that.
 
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Isn't that just a local anaesthetic? Is your condition worsened by cold weather? Is avoiding arginine a good idea? Lots of arginine in Xmas celebratory activities: chocolates, nuts etc. Apply frozen peas (surrounded by thin cloth) to painful areas for 20 mins max three times a day, to reduce pain?
Yes - that is all it is. But there are few recognized treatments for the pain.

Another is capsaicin - they anaesthetise you with lidocaine then apply, effectively, hot chilli juice.

Afraid cold as in peas has not been much help.
 

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Yes - that is all it is. But there are few recognized treatments for the pain.

Another is capsaicin - they anaesthetise you with lidocaine then apply, effectively, hot chilli juice.

Afraid cold as in peas has not been much help.
Sent you a PM about Lysine powder, but here's a link:

 

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Nice image and occasionally the sun does shine. That brown structure on the Right lower is King Johns Castle ...and is really big. This is the same King John who gave Robin Hood nightmares.
The photo on Wikipedia was snapped by Robin as he fled by sea? Judging by it's condition, looks like King John hadn't taxed heavily enough! Bleeding massive though, dwarfs everything else.

 

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Again, he's not taking any position with "And I would". Spineless and profoundly annoying. It's no wonder voters don't have a clue about what he actually stands for.
I see where you're coming from. But oddly he's growing on me. Not least because he has to carefully try to meaningfully change the minds of 18 million of the kind of twats who look at farage or the piglet and see a future. I cant think of an analogy for that. I imagine its a bit like trying to woo nadine dorries. A desperate and ultimately futile endeavour.
 

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I really have not a clue. The internet age has introduced so many new words that rubbish old values, like labelling political correctness as wokeism, decency as virtue signalling and you score a point with your home team. Not so long ago, schools insisted on teaching children how to handwrite and arithmetics. The mobile phone changed all that.
The Very Personal Computer changed all that. Increasingly, human communication and language is mimicking or assuming the general shape of the modes of bite sized pap, which popular digital platforms spew forth 24/7. "Reframing" rubbishes established meanings, which enables effective destruction of the cohesiveness of the collection of memes, which they're constructed of. Unfortunately Starmer doesn't attack that way, but Labour must if they are to win any election, in this day and age. When Tories go low, Labour must delve lower, while reframing it as "High".
 
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