Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Mmm. My kids are my only redeeming feature.. They can be frustrating, annoying, expensive pains in the arse... But I, ve had best time of my life with kids and gkids.

Agreed, but I've had the selfish option, seeing and enjoying the best of kids all around but with little of the responsibilities and costs. Those other peoples kids from long ago are out at work now, even paying my pension.

Decades ago in a home just in front of my lounge I saw young M growing up and in his teens played an important part in his progress, He's now a married man with a son and daughter. Then his sister lived in the same home and I saw her two sons C and J growing up from babyhood. They are now 22 and 18 and good friends of mine, always ready with a smile and wave.

And now my closest local friend living in my block is married and has a delightful baby son with a magic smile for me.

That's a problem with our society, single people like me have a big unfair advantage since we do not bear anything like our fair proportion of societies costs, financial and emotional, but get most of the benefits.
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[Zlatan]

Agreed, but I've had the selfish option, seeing and enjoying the best of kids all around but with little of the responsibilities and costs. Those other peoples kids from long ago are out at work now, even paying my pension.

Decades ago in a home just in front of my lounge I saw young M growing up and in his teens played an important part in his progress, He's now a married man with a son and daughter. Then his sister lived in the same home and I saw her two sons C and J growing up from babyhood. They are now 22 and 18 and good friends of mine, always ready with a smile and wave.

And now my closest local friend living in my block is married and has a delightful baby son with a magic smile for me.

That's a problem with our society, single people like me have a big unfair advantage since we do not bear anything like our fair proportion of societies costs, financial and emotional, but get most of the benefits.
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You, ve best of both worlds flecc.
We, ve had our share of worries, our youngest born with Meningitus... First month in special care baby unit.. But seeing her grow up and become a very good musician was even more rewarding. (told infection/antibiotics would affect hearing) Her kids I, m now taking to football and building bikes for.. But that's not without issues either... That's life I suppose.

 

[guerney]

Got it from a German supplier, cheaper than advertised in China??? £380 including 400wh battery, delivery and claimed all taxes paid??? (expecting a begging letter off customs tho)

Wow Zlatan, that's a good price! Have you got a link?

And battery is on large size but smallest I could find???

Looks cool, like a motorbike petrol tank.

I worry about kids with ebikes growing up with thin spindly legs, and being teased in locker rooms by fitter kids with non-electric bikes and chunkier legs. Also safety, kids being mugged for their bikes.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Agreed, but I've had the selfish option, seeing and enjoying the best of kids all around but with little of the responsibilities and costs. Those other peoples kids from long ago are out at work now, even paying my pension.

Decades ago in a home just in front of my lounge I saw young M growing up and in his teens played an important part in his progress, He's now a married man with a son and daughter. Then his sister lived in the same home and I saw her two sons C and J growing up from babyhood. They are now 22 and 18 and good friends of mine, always ready with a smile and wave.

And now my closest local friend living in my block is married and has a delightful baby son with a magic smile for me.

That's a problem with our society, single people like me have a big unfair advantage since we do not bear anything like our fair proportion of societies costs, financial and emotional, but get most of the benefits.
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I'm not at all sure remaining single is selfish. In my neck of the shires having kids often seem to have a lot to do with visible success, achievement, living the Facebook styled good life (in ways others will hopefully notice). And that's before one get to ways it drives out fears about one's mortality, transience.

 

[Zlatan]

Wow Zlatan, that's a good price! Have you got a link?



Looks cool, like a motorbike petrol tank.

I worry about kids with ebikes growing up with thin spindly legs, and being teased in locker rooms by fitter kids with non-electric bikes and chunkier legs. Also safety, kids being mugged for their bikes.

Security measure

www.ebay.co.uk

Was through these. Price was £387 plus a tenner carriage but I had £20 voucher from previous purchases..

On the legs thing... You haven't seen grand sons legs. His nick name is fireblade... For a reason... Besides think we have different ideas about ebikes... If you use them right you put as much if not more with them..
I turn out about 150 Watts on average over a couple of hours. I can use that to average 5mph on ordinary mtb or 13mph on ebike...just go higher, faster, further. Besides, it's also motivation.
And its a compromise. Was thinking if an electric Trials bike for them.. They, ll use this more..

 

[flecc]

And that's before one get to ways it drives out fears about one's mortality, transience.

I've never had such fears, always regarding life as a curse more than a benefit, the sooner over, the better. You may have seen me mention before that my philosophy on life and death was sorted 65 years ago, since when I've always had this to say on them:

"I'm ready to die anytime, even before the end of this sentence."
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[Zlatan]

I'm not at all sure remaining single is selfish. In my neck of the shires having kids often seem to have a lot to do with visible success, achievement, living the Facebook styled good life (in ways others will hopefully notice). And that's before one get to ways it drives out fears about one's mortality, transience.

Amazing how many adults aspire for their kids what they didn't work hard enough to achieve themselves. See it all time with sports I, m involved with. Parents putting kids under crazy pressure of expectation in attempts to get their 10 year olds playing for Manchester or sailing/skiing in Olympics.. Same in every sport too. Most parents expect success for their kids but use sports themselves purely for recreation and leisure. Not many kids are allowed that. It's a shame. Sport should be intrinsically valuable without rewards. The enjoyment should be reward itself. If it isn't, chances are person is in wrong sport. Kids included.

 

[flecc]

Amazing how many adults aspire for their kids what they didn't work hard enough to achieve themselves. See it all time with sports I, m involved with. Parents putting kids under crazy pressure of expectation in attempts to get their 10 year olds playing for Manchester or sailing/skiing in Olympics.. Same in every sport too. Most parents expect success for their kids but use sports themselves purely for recreation and leisure. Not many kids are allowed that. It's a shame. Sport should be intrinsically valuable without rewards. The enjoyment should be reward itself. If it isn't, chances are person is in wrong sport. Kids included.

Totally agree, I've often thought parents who drive their kids into doing what they were unable to achieve themselves is child cruelty.

In this connection I always think of Christopher Mottram. Pushed into tennis by his parents Tony Mottram and Joy Gannon who were both leading British tennis players in the 1950s. Christopher, nicknamed Buster, never really made the grade, once reaching a high of 15th in the rankings.

Whether that distorted his development I don't know, but he ended up politically very far right, joining the National Front and supporting Enoch Powell's repulsive views.
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[jonathan.agnew]

I've never had such fears, always regarding life as a curse more than a benefit, the sooner over, the better. You may have seen me mention before that my philosophy on life and death was sorted 65 years ago, since when I've always had this to say on them:

"I'm ready to die anytime, even before the end of this sentence."
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It's more ambiguous/ambivalent for me, wishing things were different. But, of course, they're not. In 18th century Flemish (mother tongue) there's a saying - "moenie iets op die keeper beskou nie" - "don't look to closely at/study too closely anything in your life" (it will shatter the illusion, which one need to maintain the fantasy of a coherent reality). It's from weaving (and the way studying the thread closely atomise the design). Came to mind this am after a terminal row with oh, of course as part of a reality that's devoid of intrinsic meaning, but - as a primate with a diminutive neocortex - one shouldn't dwell on that

 

[guerney]

Security measure

www.ebay.co.uk

Was through these. Price was £387 plus a tenner carriage but I had £20 voucher from previous purchases..

On the legs thing... You haven't seen grand sons legs. His nick name is fireblade... For a reason... Besides think we have different ideas about ebikes... If you use them right you put as much if not more with them..
I turn out about 150 Watts on average over a couple of hours. I can use that to average 5mph on ordinary mtb or 13mph on ebike...just go higher, faster, further. Besides, it's also motivation.
And its a compromise. Was thinking if an electric Trials bike for them.. They, ll use this more..

Thank you - I almost bought my bbs01b from elifebike, but was put off by non-UK and reviews. I've never been charged with customs on anything unexpectedly... don't they hold your order hostage at the PO until you pay the ransom? A mate ordered a .MP3 player from the USA in 1999, and UK Customs charged his card somehow, shortly before delivery. I ordered my bbs01b via Amazon, hadn't heard of UK based Woosh or this forum before buying and installing. I messaged the Amazon seller first (China based) to make certain he had stock in the UK, and that there would be zero extra charges. He only had a 44T kit in the UK, but sent me a 52T chainwheel from China for free. He also sent me a free brand new controller after I accidentally killed mine through terrible soldering skills, much improved since

I may well try a Tongsheng for the other bike... hopefully the tsdz2 won't overheat, and the "Blue Gear" won't melt.

My ebike is set up specifically not to - bikes should exercise you, but these days, my old knees simply cannot cope with any cycling which requires effort. They don't grumble slow jogging. I slow jogged a mile uphill yesterday, got overtaken by snails.

Your grandson Fireblade sounds formidable! And well well equipt to be the bully, which is the far better end of that deal

 

[Zlatan]

Thank you - I almost bought my bbs01b from elifebike, but was put off by non-UK and reviews. I've never been charged with customs on anything unexpectedly... don't they hold your order hostage at the PO until you pay the ransom? A mate ordered a .MP3 player from the USA in 1999, and UK Customs charged his card somehow, shortly before delivery. I ordered my bbs01b via Amazon, hadn't heard of UK based Woosh or this forum before buying and installing. I messaged the Amazon seller first (China based) to make certain he had stock in the UK, and that there would be zero extra charges. He only had a 44T kit in the UK, but sent me a 52T chainwheel from China for free. He also sent me a free brand new controller after I accidentally killed mine through terrible soldering skills, much improved since

I may well try a Tongsheng for the other bike... hopefully the tsdz2 won't overheat, and the "Blue Gear" won't melt.

My ebike is set up specifically not to - bikes should exercise you, but these days, my old knees simply cannot cope with any cycling which requires effort. They don't grumble slow jogging. I slow jogged a mile uphill yesterday, got overtaken by snails.

Your grandson Fireblade sounds formidable! And well well equipt to be the bully, which is the far better end of that deal

No, he's no bully... Hard tackler and runner at football... Kicking at 53 mph already.. We have a radar trap in garden and he wears a chip in games.. (A GMR Janquard, which is superb, tells us how far he, s run etc etc)
Wish he was as interested in school as he is in football.
I, m awaiting customs bill from DHL, they supplied last one about a month after delivery. (a kit from China) Got one from DHL for a windsurf board from Slovenia which before Brexit didn't attract one, but amazingly price was same. (suppliers knocked 20% off list price then our government stuck it back on, I was expecting a further 2% import tax (the 20% was Vat) but it didn't materialise..
So, who knows.
The foil board I ordered in September is stuck in docks somewhere.. According to Track17...

 

[guerney]

It's more ambiguous/ambivalent for me, wishing things were different. But, of course, they're not. In 18th century Flemish (mother tongue) there's a saying - "moenie iets op die keeper beskou nie" - "don't look to closely at/study too closely anything in your life" (it will shatter the illusion, which one need to maintain the fantasy of a coherent reality). It's from weaving (and the way studying the thread closely atomise the design). Came to mind this am after a terminal row with oh, of course as part of a reality that's devoid of intrinsic meaning, but - as a primate with a diminutive neocortex - one shouldn't dwell on that

Is that saying in any way religious in origin? They say the same in some cults, lest questions are asked and the hypnotised awaken.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Is that saying in any way religious in origin? They say the same in some cults, lest questions are asked and the hypnotised awaken.

AFAIK (and sincerely no offence intended) Christians sometime use it to suggest the devout focus on the bigger picture. It's an inconvenient snag that denial doesn't work in the long run
Edit - can imagine boris may remind us of this early tomorrow..

 

[Woosh]

Ye

Yes, got brake levers and throttle but wanted to use one of brake switches as a kill cord.. If kids fall over, throttle hits something then a kill cord would be better than brake switch.??? (kids trials bikes all have kill cords) Thought somebody might do one that plugs directly to display module..?? Otherwise it's converting a brake lever/switch.??

fit the brake levers in that case.

 

[guerney]

AFAIK (and sincerely no offence intended) Christians sometime use it to suggest the devout focus on the bigger picture. It's an inconvenient snag that denial doesn't work in the long run
Edit - can imagine boris may remind us of this early tomorrow..

I'm not offended but a wrathful Jesus Christ, might order a fatwa upon you!

Like some far eastern religions and spaced out space graffiti artist Elon Musk - are the Finnish (culturally?) pre-disposed to thinking that existence is in some way illusory? We're just brains in jars, or holograms? Or life is a dream?

Lie back and think of England...

 

[oldgroaner]

oyster said:
Maybe OG needs to come in here? After all, Philip Larkin neatly summed up parents' contribution to our development and upbringing.

What to opine on Mater and Pater, forsooth?
Father and I got off to good start he came back from an overseas posting just after I had learned to speak, with what turned out be a lifelong gift for diplomacy (this is as recounted later by my sister who is 14 years older than I)
I heard the front door, so wandered in the hall and there was my sister kissing this strange old man.
I ran back to shouting shouting that my sister was being attacked by a strange old man in uniform.
In marched father with my sister on his arm, when he finished kissing mother he looked over at me a strange expression on his face and said
"You always wanted a lad, he's all yours!"
For most of my early years he never used my name, it was always either "Now lad" or "Mother the lad needs a wash!" sort of address.
He was a very good father, if strict, and never smacked me, Mother had that function covered more enough already, and his logic always impressed me.
For instance
"I don't really mind you drowning yourself in the drains, fishing for newts, I did that too, but it upsets your Mother, and then she gives both of us hell!"
Very motivational, and when I was 40 years and I proudly showed a Patent in my name, he actually said "Well done Tony"
I was shocked, and asked him to repeat it, and of course he gave me that look and asked "why?"
"Father that's the first time you have ever congratulated on anything!"
He thought about this for a moment.
"Well I always thought that sooner or later you would do something worth congratulating you about." and went back to his newspaper.
I still miss him!

 

[Zlatan]

What to opine on Mater and Pater, forsooth?
Father and I got off to good start he came back from an overseas posting just after I had learned speak, with what turned out be a lifelong gift for diplomacy (this is as recounted later by my sister who is 14 years older than I)
I heard the front door, so wandered in the hall and there was my sister kissing this strange old man.
I ran back to shouting shouting that my sister was being attacked by a strange old man in uniform.
In marched father with my sister on his arm, when he finished kissing mother he looked over at me a strange expression on his face and said
"You always wanted a lad, he's all yours!"
For most of my early years he never used my name, it was always either "Now lad" or "Mother the lad needs a wash!" sort of address.
He was a very good father, if strict, and never smacked me, Mother had that function covered more enough already, and his logic always impressed me.
For instance
"I don't really mind you drowning yourself in the drains, fishing for newts, I did that too, but it upsets your Mother, and then gives she both us hell!"
Very motivational, and when I was 40 years and I proudly showed a Patent in my name, he actually said "Well done Tony"
I was shocked, and asked him to repeat it, and of course he gave me that look and asked "why?"
"Father that the first time you have ever congratulated on anything!"
He though about this for a moment.
"Well I always thought that sooner or later you would do something worth congratulating you about." and went back to his newspaper.
I still miss him!

Nice Post OG.

 

[oldgroaner]

Nice Post OG.

Many thanks, I don't know anyone else does this, but I always when coming to any decision hope that is the same decision he would have made (So far I reckon I score somewhat short of 10% )

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Many thanks, I don't know anyone else does this, but I always when coming to any decision hope that is the same decision he would have made (So far I reckon I score somewhat short of 10% )

nice posts og, strictly fwiw ive had more of a tom waits journey ("we all started out with bad directions") - as long as i did the opposite of what my father used to do it wouldn't necessarily come up roses (but i wouldn't be ramming any icebergs full steam). However, there's been a kind of freedom in this as well, making a whole new set of mistakes

 

[oldgroaner]