Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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And its Omicron which will represent a lower figure for unvaccinated. (ie vaccine more efficient against Delta)

Perhaps a more balanced report.
We assume it is Omicron but, without testing, we simply cannot know. New variants could be appearing all the time...
 
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We assume it is Omicron but, without testing, we simply cannot know. New variants could be appearing all the time...
I'm ready to eat the homeless, when the Doomsday Variant arrives... Boil in the bag/sous vide whole after gutting is the easiest method. I adopted the Doomsday Prep Cannibal mindset early; got nets, big pots, bags and everything.
 
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We assume it is Omicron but, without testing, we simply cannot know. New variants could be appearing all the time...
Report is about Omicron. Screenshot_20211229_202929.jpg
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In effect it means 42 % of hospitalisation are from 15% of population.. Or in other words if entire population were vaccinated hospitalisations would drop by 42%...(for Omicron)
 

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You are being lied to

There was the example of the video about Liverpool Primary Care ICU being full of young Covid patients who hadn't been vaccinated. I immediately condemned that as an obviously constructed lying propaganda film.

There is no such ICU, no Liverpool hospital having an ICU of that name. The name Liverpool Primary Care belongs to a group of nine GP surgeries providing the usual doctor's services. The clues were obvious in the video, the emotively expressed commentary while showing doctors looking at records, clearly trying to influence expectations before showing the beds. Then the images of the patients in beds so heavily fuzzed out they could have been window dummies or pigs carcases. All previous videos we've seen of ICUs have clearly shown patients with masking and ventilators, so why not this one? See above, to hide the lie.

We are also being subjected to vague statements of ICUs in general being entirely or 80% occupied by people who are unvaccinated, none of them giving any verifiable evidence. But now we do have a verifiable case. Yorkshire's hospitals have issued data showing that 42.9 % of their Omicron occupied ICU beds are occupied by unvaccinated patients. Of course that means that 57.1% are occupied by vaccinated patients. So much for vaccination preventing hospitalisation.

And of course there is all the scaremongering about ICUs about to be overwhelmed. Strange that only yesterday the news announced that London's hardest hit area with Omicron and the worst in the country was well within their ICU capacity. That of course is very inconvenient since London has a very low vaccination rate, far, far lower than the rest of the country so hardly selling the line that the vaccines are saving us, especially since London's Covid death rate is lower.

So why the lies? I've spelt it out once before but here it is again. From bringing us Brexit, through his spell as foreign secretary to his premiership, Boris Johnson has been an unmitigated disaster, and he knows it. The only thing he might have going for him to save his skin is the vaccines being a great success.

Trouble is that in truth, they haven't been. Up until Covid we all knew that we had vaccinations to prevent us catching the diseases in question, but of course the Covid vaccines still leave us liable to catch Covid and spread it. So that inconvenient fact triggered the first lie, that the main purpose of a vaccine was to prevent us suffering as badly if we did catch Covid.

As the vaccine coverage expanded, that's been often followed by easing lockdowns to emphasis how well the vaccine are doing, such as now with a refusal to lockdown before the new year. And of course the booster campaign is another way of convincing that it's the vaccines that are saving us. This despite clear evidence that the current Omicron variant is now dominant and nothing like the threat that the original Covid-19 or Delta variant were, plus the fact that the vaccines don't even begin to prevent us catching Omicron.

I am not an anti-vaxxer and have had both jabs and the booster, so I firmly believe we all should do the same. But we should all also have a healthy degree of scepticism regarding anything this government or even their experts say. Even their own data tools show that they lie when it suits. It's what politicians and their minions do, and not just for parties.
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Well that makes a refreshing change from it being a hoax calculated to control the population for an unknown purpose.

Your explanation actually makes sense and when you think it through, it’s a good fit with reality.

I think we’ve got a storm coming in 2022. Higher taxes, higher energy bills, higher council tax, higher interest rates, static or shrinking wages, longer NHS waiting times, power shortages and that’s before all the goodness of Brexit kicks in. 2022 could be the year of the riot unless they can blindfold us with COVID to stop us looking at what they’ve created.

Many many people are teetering on the financial cliff edge right now. That’s before everything listed above hits them next year.
 

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Isn't that ignoring the difference between hospital and ICU?

(Not saying the figures make sense but number in ICU is a subset of number in hospital.
They're included. Add the evidence I posted to that Zlatan has just posted and it's clear that all the claims that the unvaccinated are causing the problems are untrue. Currently over half the occupancy of ICUs and other treatments are of the vaccinated.

But the precise balance isn't important, the real point is that we are being deliberately lied to and some even in here are promoting the lies by repeating the falsehoods or trying to wriggle out of the truth by obfuscation.

We are being sold on the idea that the booster is essential to get control of Omicron, but that isn't true. Where Omicron is concerned, vaccination is only of any use to under 1% of us at the very most. Omicron rapidly reached up to 5% of us at most in the worst affected areas but the infection rate is now already falling by 60% in those worst affected areas.

Of the up to 5% who were infected, we know that Omicron causes no problems in the great majority, so it's unlikely anything like 1% will be affected enough to benefit from any severity reduction of the vaccines.

But of course that truth doesn't fit the political agenda that Boris Johnson's vaccines are going to save us all, hence the promotion of lies.
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They are claiming a high level of Delta Immunity Post Omicron infection...
How that translates to numbers I have no idea.
They really cannot possibly know that yet ... It would be wonderful were it true . The only known truth is that Omicron is more contagious and initially does not seriously seem to affect people who have been vaccinated or previously infected.
 

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Question 1



As of 1 December 2021, the total number of COVID-19 claims for a vaccine
damage payment is 562.

Question 2



No payments have been made to date. This is due to the COVID-19
assessments not being concluded.


tbh why have none of you done your own foi requests ? you know there hiding something when they say it will cost more than £600 or cant say as not in the public interest ect you just have to ask in a different way and not give up.


Dear Mr Keaney

Thank you for your email regarding this request.

I can confirm that following the ICO's Decision Notice, the DWP has decided to appeal that Decision to the First Tier Tribunal and we await the outcome of that process.

Regards
DWP Central FoI Team.

:p
 

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Study link:
 
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The Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2, first identified in November 2021 in South Africa and Botswana, has been shown by us1 and others2-7 to have extensive but incomplete escape from immunity elicited by vaccines and previous infection, with boosted individuals showing effective neutralization, even though vaccine and booster efficacy may wane over time.


for the last 10 days i have been on earth :p
 

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The Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2, first identified in November 2021 in South Africa and Botswana, has been shown by us1 and others2-7 to have extensive but incomplete escape from immunity elicited by vaccines and previous infection, with boosted individuals showing effective neutralization, even though vaccine and booster efficacy may wane over time.


for the last 10 days i have been on earth :p
You should get your Mum vaccinated. There will be many more variants after this one.
 
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Independent front page for tomorrow has piccie captioned:

Boris Johnson, visiting a vaccine centre yesterday, urged people to use lateral flow tests despite shortages.​

Perhaps he'd like to explain how? Probably not.
 

soundwave

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You should get your Mum vaccinated. There will be many more variants after this one.
and has been for millions of years there is no cure because it mutates and will never stop and why we have immune systems in the first place, she has copd from smoking 20-40 fags a day and no cure for that either and wont stop smoking tried a vape and went in the bin on first day lol.

if someone does not want it no matter what you do or say will change there minds and there life and there choice at the end of the day.
 

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Boris Johnson, visiting a vaccine centre yesterday, urged people to use lateral flow tests despite shortages.​

Perhaps he'd like to explain how?
They asked Kate Bingham to come in again and sort it all out but she has refused so they have gone to their next candidate on the list. You might remember him, hes a pub landlord and good friend of Matt Hancock. ;)
 
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They really cannot possibly know that yet ... It would be wonderful were it true . The only known truth is that Omicron is more contagious and initially does not seriously seem to affect people who have been vaccinated or previously infected.
Note that the positive test cases in Ireland yesterday are the highest in the last 2 years, 16K. Hospital admission figures are also rising ... And this in a population with 92% vaccinated.
 
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Note that the positive test cases in Ireland yesterday are the highest in the last 2 years, 16K. Hospital admission figures are also rising ... And this in a population with 92% vaccinated.


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