Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

On the Liverpool ICU

I've been backtracking that video.

I frst saw it on BBC news, but they got it from ITV. However ITV now say they got it from Liverpool City Council. But Liverpool City Council say the video was made by staff at Liverpool University Hospital which sounds highly unlikely. I cant see masked and visored ICU staff wandering around desperately ill patients making videos out of boredom with having nothing better to do. This is more a classic case of creating a long path to hide the original source, one we'll probably never know.

The start of the video is obviously missing having been cut off, the words abruptly beginning "30 or 40", obviously the end part of a preceding sentence. The soundtrack then claims those numbers were the ages of some of the patients without saying what those ages were, clearly added.

The web page it was on at that stage claims in text that they were all young and were struggling for their lives, though the video makes no mention of either.

It's forged, at odds with the easily available facts on hospitalisation and ICU occupancy with omicron.
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[oyster]

I've been backtracking that video.

I frst saw it on BBC news, but they got it from ITV. However ITV now say they got it from Liverpool City Council. But Liverpool City Council say the video was made by staff at Liverpool University Hospital which sounds highly unlikely. I cant see masked and visored ICU staff wandering around desperately ill patients making videos out of boredom with having nothing better to do. This is more a classic case of creating a long path to hide the original source, one we'll probably never know.

The start of the video is obviously missing having been cut off, the words abruptly beginning "30 or 40", obviously the end part of a preceding sentence. The soundtrack then claims those numbers were the ages of some of the patients without saying what those ages were, clearly added.

The web page it was on at that stage claims in text that they were all young and were struggling for their lives, though the video makes no mention of either.

It's forged, at odds with the easily available facts on hospitalisation and ICU occupancy with omicron.
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Source of an awful lot of lies in the past few years has been Downing Street...

 

[Zlatan]

Source of an awful lot of lies in the past few years has been Downing Street...

And every media outlet. What chance do any of us have of knowing truth?
Our truths seem to be just other's lies..

 

[soundwave]

And every media outlet. What chance do any of us have of knowing truth?
Our truths seem to be just other's lies..

buy the time they release the records to what really happened we will all be long gone as thats the point.

 

[Danidl]

I've been backtracking that video.

I frst saw it on BBC news, but they got it from ITV. However ITV now say they got it from Liverpool City Council. But Liverpool City Council say the video was made by staff at Liverpool University Hospital which sounds highly unlikely. I cant see masked and visored ICU staff wandering around desperately ill patients making videos out of boredom with having nothing better to do. This is more a classic case of creating a long path to hide the original source, one we'll probably never know.

The start of the video is obviously missing having been cut off, the words abruptly beginning "30 or 40", obviously the end part of a preceding sentence. The soundtrack then claims those numbers were the ages of some of the patients without saying what those ages were, clearly added.

The web page it was on at that stage claims in text that they were all young and were struggling for their lives, though the video makes no mention of either.

It's forged, at odds with the easily available facts on hospitalisation and ICU occupancy with omicron.
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The presumption that all infections now are Omicron is lazy thinking. Every single stain of the virus is out there in the wild. Its not as if the Omicron has any infection franchise ,and getting that variant, stops either yourself or your family getting Delta or Alpha or whatever. The only salient fact is that Omicron is much more infectious, and that a majority if new infections , when fully analysed are Omicron. However those people in ICU s can and are both Delta, Omicron and other flavours .. and if they actually succumb on day 30 ,are they even listed ?

 

[Zlatan]

The presumption that all infections now are Omicron is lazy thinking. Every single strain of the virus is out there in the wild. Its not as if the Omicron has any infection franchise ,and getting that variant, stops either yourself or your family getting Delta or Alpha or whatever. The only salient fact is that Omicron is much more infectious, and that a majority if new infections , when fully analysed are Omicron. However those people in ICU s can and are both Delta, Omicron and other flavours .. and if they actually succumb on day 30 ,are they even listed ?

They are claiming a high level of Delta Immunity Post Omicron infection...
How that translates to numbers I have no idea.

 

[flecc]

.. and if they actually succumb on day 30 ,are they even listed ?

Probably yes. Records must have been quite detailed last year for the government to demand 2020 data was reassessed as deaths within 60 days, rather then 28 days of a positive test.
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[guerney]

They are claiming a high level of Delta Immunity Post Omicron infection...
How that translates to numbers I have no idea.

The presumption that all infections now are Omicron is lazy thinking. Every single stain of the virus is out there in the wild. Its not as if the Omicron has any infection franchise ,and getting that variant, stops either yourself or your family getting Delta or Alpha or whatever. The only salient fact is that Omicron is much more infectious, and that a majority if new infections , when fully analysed are Omicron. However those people in ICU s can and are both Delta, Omicron and other flavours .. and if they actually succumb on day 30 ,are they even listed ?

Posted earlier:

Catching omicron variant could also protect against delta, study finds

People who catch the omicron variant of Covid may develop enhanced immunity against delta, a study has found.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Zlatan]

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-icu

Again, if figures are reliable etc etc our ICU occupancy is holding steady..
It would be good to know exact proportion in there with/without vaccines/boosters. Seems figures from half to 90% unvaccinated are bandied about. I can't find a figure I, d see as definitive... Seems government for political reasons have got their mits on these figures.ie) to promote success of BJ's booster campaign. Unfortunately this (bordering on) deception is fueling anti vax feelings... Witnessed on here. Gives credence to SW /GI's theories. .. So it must be bad.

 

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[guerney]

buy the time they release the records to what really happened we will all be long gone as thats the point.

No. Who shot JFK? Is the Earth flat? Are the moon landings real? Is probenecid being suppressed to kill the Illuminati?

FDA approved gout medicine shows promise fighting COVID-19

Probenecid, a drug used to treat gout, has shown anti-viral capabilities, a study from the University of Georgia finds. It is among a variety of drugs being tested to treat COVID-19.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Fantastical fever dreams are forever.

 

[soundwave]

Prince Philip's will to be secret for 90 years

A judge says he made the ruling, in line with other royal deaths, to protect the Queen's dignity.

www.bbc.co.uk

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Thirty-year rule - Wikipedia

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[Zlatan]

Prince Philip's will to be secret for 90 years

A judge says he made the ruling, in line with other royal deaths, to protect the Queen's dignity.

www.bbc.co.uk

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Jump to navigationJump to search
The "thirty-year rule" is the informal name given to laws in the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, and the Commonwealth of Australia that provide that certain government documents will be released publicly thirty years after they were created.
Some other countries' national archives also adhere to a thirty-year rule for the release of government documents.

Thirty-year rule - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I, ll mis sleep tonight knowing that SW.. You actually think you, ll find out where Branson's money goes post his last adventure. Or actually care.

 

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I, ll mis sleep tonight knowing that SW.. You actually think you, ll find out where Branson's money goes post his last adventure. Or actually care.

well he wont be paying tax on any off it

 

[Zlatan]

Nice reliable witness SW. Bit like calling Richardsons to Kray trial. Were they friends or not??
Whatever Farage says I, d guess truth is nearer opposite.

 

[flecc]

It would be good to know exact proportion in there with/without vaccines/boosters. Seems figures from half to 90% unvaccinated are bandied about. I can't find a figure I, d see as definitive...

This is as definitive as one might expect:

"New data from the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) has revealed that 42.9 per cent of confirmed Omicron patients requiring hospital treatment in Yorkshire, are unvaccinated - the highest proportion of any region in England. "

If thats the highest in England, it means 60% or more of all Omicron hospital treatment cases in England are VACCINATED.

And it's the government's own agency saying it. LINK

Ergo, all the claims of the unvaccinated filling ICUs are LIES.
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[Zlatan]

well he wont be paying tax on any off it

Well that depends on his will... If he passes everything to his Mrs, no there is no tax due. (that's same with all of us)... On her death her instructions would be followed and pair of them entitled to 2 IHT tax allowances plus £150k each from properties.
If he has left legacies to be paid on his death to other than his wife (and kids for his £150k property allowance) then they would count against his IHT allowance.
In theory Royals do pay IHT.. But since we gave it them in first place...
There are far worse than Royals skipping IHT... Their residences (within UK) and earnings (from us) make it difficult for them to hide. Branson and such on the other hand.???
It's fairly common for Royals probate dealings to be hidden from public. (as are their wills. Rest of us wills are public documents, you can request anyone's post probate granted. (ie tax bill paid)
Don't think you, d get to see Philips even without this clause.

 

[oyster]

This is as definitive as one might expect:

"New data from the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) has revealed that 42.9 per cent of confirmed Omicron patients requiring hospital treatment in Yorkshire, are unvaccinated - the highest proportion of any region in England. "

If thats the highest in England, it means over 60% of all Omicron hospital treatment cases in England are VACCINATED.

And it's the government's own agency saying it. LINK

Ergo, all the claims of the unvaccinated filling ICUs are LIES.
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Isn't that ignoring the difference between hospital and ICU?

(Not saying the figures make sense but number in ICU is a subset of number in hospital.

 

[Zlatan]

Isn't that ignoring the difference between hospital and ICU?

(Not saying the figures make sense but number in ICU is a subset of number in hospital.

And its Omicron which will represent a lower figure for unvaccinated. (ie vaccine more efficient against Delta)

Perhaps a more balanced report.

How many Covid-19 patients in ICU are unvaccinated? - Full Fact

Recent data shows around half of those admitted in October and early November were unvaccinated—but this figure comes with important caveats

fullfact.org