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I wonder if that family have had a Covid vaccination? The Bill Gate’s magnetic vaccine, which makes you Bluetooth enabled so he can control your mind.
The whole of that area is a high vaccination rate one, but the far northern end is a council estate and on appearances I'd judge them to be from there. Maybe, like many who don't follow the subject, they believe the Covid vaccine actually works in preventing the disease.
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flecc

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I'm distinctly inclined to think that a lot of people have done much of their shopping already. The weekend just gone was busier than I'd have expected. But yesterday was significantly quieter.
The opposite here, Monday and today the car park and store absolutely packed near to capacity. My today shop was to complete for the whole Christmas period, next time probably in 2022.
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The opposite here, Monday and today the car park and store absolutely packed near to capacity. My today shop was to complete for the whole Christmas period, next time probably in 2022.
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I'm currently awaiting a delivery (not food!) - bloomin' ParcelForce van has gone nearly past me about six times so far. Returned to places he has already been. Please just turn up my road and drop mine off. Then I can stop wondering when it will arrive! No - it's not late (yet).
 
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I'm currently awaiting a delivery (not food!) - bloomin' ParcelForce van has gone nearly past me about six times so far. Returned to places he has already been. Please just turn up my road and drop mine off. Then I can stop wondering when it will arrive! No - it's not late (yet).
Parcelforce really are useless, I've seen them doing the same repeated return trips here.

I long ago boycotted them by refusing to buy from suppliers who use them. These days when many courier services, even some of the cheaper ones, give a precise delivery hour they keep to, there's no excuse for poor service.
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Parcelforce really are useless, I've seen them doing the same repeated return trips here.

I long ago boycotted them by refusing to buy from suppliers who use them. These days when many courier services, even some of the cheaper ones, give a precise delivery hour they keep to, there's no excuse for poor service.
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Well, they are still well within their one hour slot. And it is my own silly fault for displaying their live map! :)

Have to say, pretty much all the delivery companies are OK here. Unlike where I used to live. Despite nearest depots being Llanelli, Swansea or even further away. And I feel for them when the Cleddau bridge gets closed due to wind and they have to do a multi-mile diversion.

Oddly, my original advice was that it was coming via UPS. Then I suddenly got a PF email saying they were delivering.
 

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Six!

UK Covid live: Wales to introduce rule of six for hospitality from Boxing Day
This pandemic will fsck anyone who can't count. Javid spewing fractions, will make matters worse.
 

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Well, they are still well within their one hour slot. And it is my own silly fault for displaying their live map! :)

Have to say, pretty much all the delivery companies are OK here. Unlike where I used to live. Despite nearest depots being Llanelli, Swansea or even further away. And I feel for them when the Cleddau bridge gets closed due to wind and they have to do a multi-mile diversion.

Oddly, my original advice was that it was coming via UPS. Then I suddenly got a PF email saying they were delivering.
It did arrive - only 16 minutes into the hour slot.
 
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While omicron explodes around the world, covid cases in Japan keep plummeting and no one knows exactly why
Didn't a head of some Japanese health association go on public television a month or so ago and told doctors over there they should use Ivermectin to treat Covid ??
 

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It did arrive - only 16 minutes into the hour slot.
The waiting kills me - I watch the road through a webcam, to prevent delivery to my odious neighbous. I really should install one of those delivery boxes with the very large apertures, which squirrel packages away into a protected compartment within... but they're all too damn small and easily vandalised or stolen.
 

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Didn't a head of some Japanese health association go on public television a month or so ago and told doctors over there they should use Ivermectin to treat Covid ??
The trouble with opening a can of worms, is that you always need a larger can to put the worms in. Playing whackamole with cans of worms is endless.
 

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The trouble with opening a can of worms, is that you always need a larger can to put the worms in. Playing whackamole with cans of worms is endless.
Sorry, I have no idea what you are getting at?
Can you explain please.
 

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That seems to have been a significant issue all the way through - claims of fantastic immunity which then fades in five minutes.
When the first vaccine started to come out I lost count of the amount of experts that appeared all over the media saying how the vaccine was highly likely to give far better and longer protection than for people who had actually caught the virus. Evidence has been coming out over the past year that this is wrong, I don't subscribe to the narrative that all these experts are in the pay of big pharma etc. But I do think that they need to be far more humble when we are dealing with a new virus and they should just admit they don't really know.
 
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When the first vaccine started to come out I lost count of the amount of experts that appeared all over the media saying how the vaccine was highly likely to give far better and longer protection than for people who had actually caught the virus. Evidence has been coming out over the past year that this is wrong, I don't subscribe to the narrative that all these experts are in the pay of big pharma etc. But I do think that they need to be far more humble when we are dealing with a new virus and they should just admit they don't really know.
I can see where you're coming from (the uncertainty of it all is difficult), but all of the vaccines do provide do provide better protection than having had the virus (which offers 19% protection against acquiring omicron)
 

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When the first vaccine started to come out I lost count of the amount of experts that appeared all over the media saying how the vaccine was highly likely to give far better and longer protection than for people who had actually caught the virus. Evidence has been coming out over the past year that this is wrong, I don't subscribe to the narrative that all these experts are in the pay of big pharma etc. But I do think that they need to be far more humble when we are dealing with a new virus and they should just admit they don't really know.
I tend to look at the job titles of experts ...and for this topic I look for the Heads of Departments of Micro Biology in Universities, who are not civil servants, nor pharmaceutical companies agents.
Fairly early on, I heard one of our Professors giving an assessment which basically went as follows. A person who has fully recovered from a full Covid infection , and has not succumbed to any of the linked Chronic conditions, has achieved a better level of immunity than a single jab if any vaccine. Her reasoning was that because the antibodies have had the entire protein envelope to work with, it is harder for a variant to dupe it in future . Since the vaccines only work with a fraction of the coating, it might be possible for a future variant to not use that element of the coating. As against that there was a risk of serious illness, from a raw infection. Moreover the factory vaccine gave a standardised level of "infection", so the future response much more predictable. Her argument concluded that a real infection followed by 1 jab was superior to a 2 jab, whereas real infection followed by 2 jabs was optimal.
 

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