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Well, speaking as a part time nhs employee, the defacto way forward is going to be vaccines regardless of what we think (mandatory now), which do guarantee a more homogenous immune response than infection. And as a fifty something year old with multiple exposures to patients with covid I'm deeply grateful for my three jabs. I have a strong hunch they saved my skin and - really - dont fancy running the gauntlet with infection
Their obvious problem is a combination of delivering Johnson's head and who will be his replacement.
What reason do those who refuse put forward for their decision?
I think that you may be dodging the exceptionally substantial increase in excess deaths, using vaccines as a distraction - are you continuing to assert that vaccines are not vaccines? They are vaccines, because medical science says so. The only time legal definitions are important, is when there are disputes to reconcile legally - where harm has been suffered, or loss of assets has occurred. But that doesn't change the medical defintion of the word "Vaccine".
My fantasy was that their not protecting the tory party - but the financial interests of donors who may perceive boris and his lockdowns and spending a threat - and see an opportunity to install someone from the more malevolent end of the conservative spectrum (gove comes to mind)
Sunak perhaps, I think he probably worries Boris more than anyone else in the cabinet.
It has been changed since Covid arrived. What do you think I've been protesting about?
Normally I'd agree, but I think the atmosphere surrounding sleaze and corruption is so hot at present they wouldn't get away with it. Labour is a point ahead in the latest poll so they have no slack to play with.
That definition of a vaccine is still valid. Jenner never said that milkmaids were immune from Smallpox, ..just that the incidence was much less if they had had cowpox.
I agree it's still valid, but you and others are stretching it way beyond credibility for the Covid vaccines, putting all the emphasis on how they reduce symptoms.
What is the meaning of "caught"? After all, rabies vaccine is often delivered post-exposure.
That's irrelevant since it's not the issue, which is about the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines.
it does not matter much whether you call the AZ, Pfizer, Moderna vaccines vaccines, compare them to the well known vaccines made with older techniques like polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, MCV, HPV, HIB, RV, flu, pneumococcal etc, can you say any of the covid vaccines is more successful? If you can't, then you would have agreed with flecc.
I am suggesting that they are all ( including the AZ and Pfizer) as successful as any of these traditional vaccines . What is unfortunate is that the CV19 has not played ball and has increased in infectivity by 1200 fold in the 24 months of its existence. The 1200 is not a figure I plucked from the air,but is the production ratio of virons in the Delta as measured in labs compared with the Wuhan version . I strongly suggest that you if one gave a population of people the full MMR 2 jabs of vaccines , and if you then increased the concentration of measles or Mumps virons by 1000 in their vicinity , the quoted current efficacy of 99% for measles would drop considerably and the Mumps infection rates would make it basically useless ,since it is at 88% at present levels. And it must be remembered that these Covid vaccines are the mark 1 versions only, whereas some of the others have been refined for 60 years.
I rarely refer to UK personalities, But I recall the Advice he gave as AG during the Brexit discussions ... It basically sunk T. Mays efforts Enough Said!.
