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Jesus H Christ

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And this:

England's Data Guardian warns of plans to grant police access to patient data
Proposed law could 'erode trust and confidence' in healthcare
https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/11/data_guardian_police_bill/

The comments are worth a read.
It’s not so much the access that bothers me, I’m happy that would be for crime fighting purposes. It’s that no one, anywhere, is competent to look after the data properly. They’d lose it. This country is saturated with bell-ends and arse-holes in every area of public service management.
 

Zlatan

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Grumbling about the current crop of fools masquerading as a government is like moaning at your surgeon when alternative is Harold Shipman.
We aren't between a rock and a hard place, it's much worse than that.
 
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Grumbling about the current crop of fools masquerading as a government is like moaning at your surgeon when alternative is Harold Shipman.
We aren't between a rock and a hard place, it's much worse than that.
so you think it's fair to compare KS to Harold Shipman?
He can't do worse than our current PM who constantly goes into hiding or delays and delays when faced with any crisis.
 

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My morning read has started with this:

Coronavirus: lessons learned to date
Executive Summary

Covid-19 has been the biggest crisis our country has faced in generations, and the greatest peacetime challenge in a century. It has disrupted our lives to an extent few predicted; separated friends and families; closed businesses and damaged livelihoods; and, most tragically of all, it has been associated with the deaths of over 150,000 people in the UK and nearly 5 million people worldwide to date.1

The United Kingdom is not alone in having suffered badly because of covid-19 and the pandemic is far from over. Comparing the experience of different countries is not straightforward: covid-related deaths are recorded in varying ways. The effect of the pandemic on particular countries has been different at different times—for example some countries that fared better than others in the early months of the pandemic have subsequently experienced more fatalities.2 But in 2020 the UK did significantly worse in terms of covid deaths than many countries—especially compared to those in East Asia even though they were much closer geographically to where the virus first appeared.3 The scale of this early loss requires us to ask why the UK was affected worse than others.

Conversely the success of the vaccine programme—one of the most effective in Europe and, for a country of our size one of the most effective in the world—shows that positive as well as negative lessons should be taken from our handling of the pandemic. All learning needs to happen rapidly because of the likelihood of future pandemics which is why we are producing this Report now. Its purpose is not to point fingers of blame but ensure an accurate understanding of both successes and failures to date so that crucial lessons can be learned for the future.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5802/cmselect/cmsctech/92/9204.htm
At least now someone is in charge

 
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Zlatan

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so you think it's fair to compare KS to Harold Shipman?
He can't do worse than our current PM who constantly goes into hiding or delays and delays when faced with any crisis.
To be fair he, s been on duty and faced more than any PM since ww2... If he, s that bad his absence isn't an issue is it?
Most folk would have walked away months ago. Reckon he, s on track for a break down, listening to him with Marr I thought he was having one.
And, yes I think KS is to Labour Party what Shipman is to health care. Both appallingly bad.
 

oldgroaner

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Grumbling about the current crop of fools masquerading as a government is like moaning at your surgeon when alternative is Harold Shipman.
We aren't between a rock and a hard place, it's much worse than that.
Does it never occur to you that your attitude is part of the problem, not the solution?
Based purely on what exactly?
People are still dying every day ignored by the government.
It doesn't take much imagination to see even Larry the cat could kill less people
 
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And, yes I think KS is to Labour Party what Shipman is to health care. Both appallingly bad.
you are clutching at straws. KS has not done much wrong.
 

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To be fair he, s been on duty and faced more than any PM since ww2... If he, s that bad his absence isn't an issue is it?
Most folk would have walked away months ago. Reckon he, s on track for a break down, listening to him with Marr I thought he was having one.
And, yes I think KS is to Labour Party what Shipman is to health care. Both appallingly bad.
I'd be delighted by his absence - if someone better suited could and would take his place.

All that happens is a series of messes which won't get sorted even when he gets back.

I have absolutely zero tolerance of someone who says they will govern the country then fails to do so - for whatever reasons: incompetence, ignorance, laziness, holidays, ...
 
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Zlatan

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I'd be delighted by his absence - if someone better suited could and would take his place.

All that happens is a series of messes which won't get sorted even when he gets back.

I have absolutely zero tolerance of someone who says they will govern the country then fails to do so - for whatever reasons: incompetence, ignorance, laziness, holidays, ...
But nobody, including all the shouters on here, does a damn thing about it. Just moan, moan, fecking moan.
Nobody stands, offers alternatives or even suggest viable alternatives people or policies.
Just continual bitching about Tories and or Boris and everything they have or haven't done.
Not a single suggestion from anyone about what should be offered, suggested or done.
Then, surprise, surprise when things continue status quo. No viable anternative, Tories carry on regardless. Boris keeps his 80 seat majority with hardly a knock to his popularity despite his obvious faults.
 

Jesus H Christ

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To be fair he, s been on duty and faced more than any PM since ww2... If he, s that bad his absence isn't an issue is it?
Most folk would have walked away months ago. Reckon he, s on track for a break down, listening to him with Marr I thought he was having one.
And, yes I think KS is to Labour Party what Shipman is to health care. Both appallingly bad.
To be fair Zlatan, Boris Johnson been absent at just about every key moment. If he’s not holidaying in a multi-millionaire mates property, he’s emptying himself into Fuck_Jar Symonds. The rest of the time he hides.

I don’t know about Starmer, I just don’t know.
 

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But nobody, including all the shouters on here, does a damn thing about it. Just moan, moan, fecking moan.
Nobody stands, offers alternatives or even suggest viable alternatives people or policies.
Just continual bitching about Tories and or Boris and everything they have or haven't done.
Not a single suggestion from anyone about what should be offered, suggested or done.
Then, surprise, surprise when things continue status quo. No viable anternative, Tories carry on regardless. Boris keeps his 80 seat majority with hardly a knock to his popularity despite his obvious faults.
I suggest KS would be a much better PM than the incumbent.
No-one, including me, would ever vote for me as an MP.
I spend hours most days trying to help people who have various problems. Some of which result from government policies and incompetence.
For all their mistakes, I find the approach within Wales, much more acceptable. Starting with a first minister who can actually express himself properly in English.
 

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I can't tell all these adulterous white Oxford-educated tory MPs apart:

MP loses charity role after allegedly saying Asian ministers ‘look the same’
Tory James Gray told to step back from St John Ambulance after he reportedly introduced Nadhim Zahawi as health secretary
 

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Not a single suggestion from anyone about what should be offered, suggested or done.
The conservative party has only one choice of spending money: with their donors and one choice of raising taxes: on everyone who works.
If you work for your money or run your own business, you pay more taxes.
I can give you plenty of suggestions, but that's not going to change this government.
 
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Tory James Gray told to step back from St John Ambulance after he reportedly introduced Nadhim Zahawi as health secretary
James Gray should refuse to step back from this role, his mistake was entirely reasonable, given these tweets and retweets from education secretary Nadhim Zahawi, who even teamed with Sajid Javid in a joint health letter. All in the last couple of days:

"Mental health and wellbeing is so important. I want every child and young person to feel comfortable talking about how they feel and for them to know how they can get support or advice. "

"If you're pregnant, it's recommended that you have the flu vaccine, whatever stage of pregnancy you're at. The flu jab will help to protect both you and your baby"


"@nadhimzahawi
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@sajidjavid
write to parents of secondary school and college students to thank them for all their efforts in keeping education safe for all during the pandemic and talk about the importance of Covid vaccinations and regular testing"

"A FIFTH of England's most critically ill are unvaccinated, pregnant women. I hope those spreading fear and disinformation out there are proud of themselves. Please, please, whatever your politics, your age, your religion, your ethnicity, your nationality, please get vaccinated."

"Whether it is going for a walk or seeking professional support, put your mental health first."

"On 10 October, 34,574 new cases and 38 deaths within 28 days of a positive test were reported across the UK."

Rather a lot of tweets on health from an Education Secretary, easily outnumbering those from him on education.
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oldgroaner

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But nobody, including all the shouters on here, does a damn thing about it. Just moan, moan, fecking moan.
Nobody stands, offers alternatives or even suggest viable alternatives people or policies.
Just continual bitching about Tories and or Boris and everything they have or haven't done.
Not a single suggestion from anyone about what should be offered, suggested or done.
Then, surprise, surprise when things continue status quo. No viable anternative, Tories carry on regardless. Boris keeps his 80 seat majority with hardly a knock to his popularity despite his obvious faults.
Utter rot!
Many on here including myself have offered alternatives, but you want the political equivalent of the RNLI to come speeding over the horizon to rescue you.

And why?
Because you voted for Brexit.
All off this stems from people putting a cross in the wrong box
It's YOUR MESS.
What are YOU going to do about it?
 

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