Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

95% efficiency and max torque at zero rpm???
Looking at torque/efficiency curves seems the Mahle has a much wider range of higher efficiency than all other cheaper motors.
Think they are trying to match rare metal type motors at significantly lower price...??

these things are normal for electric motors, including e-bike motors.
Theirs is not an exception.
Where they claim first is the idea of wireless transmission of electric power. Think of your mobile phone charging pad or your electric toothbrush charger. Wireless chargers work in the same way as electrical transformers, it's invented 150 years ago, in the late 19th century.

 

[flecc]

Imagine had cars been purely utilitarian over last 50 years how many people wouldn't have been employed building all that excess we demand.???
Its cumulative. We want 8 speed auto boxes, power steering, Abs brakes, parking sensors, cameras, infotainment centres, heated seats... List is endless.

That's not at all what I meant, reducing consumption doesn't imply going backwards. For example it could imply all that you list but lasting twice as long. As I posted, this needs thinking well outside the present box, not staying confined to it and getting nowhere,

Take it all away and down to absolute basics (a 2CV or Morris Minor) and industry is suddenly 50% its size... Parts suppliers, garages, mechanics and even production workers are all half redundant... With associated knock on effect through society..

As said, not what I meant, but coincidentally much of this is going to happen anyway with electric cars. Much of today's motor trade is doomed and halving it is very likely once three decades pass.
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[Danidl]

I don't think they are claiming induction transfer to rotor is anything new but the way it's done ir rather different in the Mahle. I think it's in interests of higher efficiency and high start torque. (slip ring motors do have higher starting torque than pure induction.)
For max torque from zero rpm at moment I don't think Starter motors can be beaten so suspect this is an attempt at replicating that but without magnets???
And 95% efficiency is very high??
Suspect Mahle know just a touch more than us about motors.. (I believe they started as Piston manufacturers?)
Its nearly 50 years since I was studying types of e motors but think the use of dc (via rectifier in rotor?) emulating magnetic field normally produced by magnets is the new bit?? But not sure.. Just seemed an interesting article. Sorry if its upset you Danid.

Yep!. I will wear the higher torque argument, but not the efficiency one. There are advantages in having an wound rotor in an AC motor as one can more easily manipulate the power speed curves. But the headlines in the article were all incorrect. We have non rare earth and contactless free motors and generators for 120 years already.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

So the Indian variant is here, it’s out of control and it’s highly likely to **** up all the plans.

How did it get here in the first place? Surely it can’t have anything to do with the 11 plane loads of people from India arriving in the U.K. each day can it? If that was the case wouldn’t someone have done something about it?

 

[Zlatan]

That's not at all what I meant, reducing consumption doesn't imply going backwards. For example it could imply all that you list but lasting twice as long. As I posted, this needs thinking well outside the present box, not staying confined to it and getting nowhere,



As said, not what I meant, but coincidentally much of this is going to happen anyway with electric cars. Much of today's motor trade is doomed and halving it is very likely once three decades pass.
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I think point you are forgetting is car, desire for it and people's seemingly never satisfied attitude have driven Western civilisations development over past 50 years. I agree its brought damage and problems with it but remove that single piece of the jigsaw and the entire puzzle could be so different.
Look at industrialusatiin of USA and Europe and so much of it all fed that insatiable hunger for cars. It drove 20th century and not just on the road.
Fair enough much of development is behind us now and it's probably high time car was put in its place as solely a method of transport but don't underestimate just how much, good and bad, it has contributed.

 

[flecc]

So the Indian variant is here, it’s out of control and it’s highly likely to **** up all the plans.

How did it get here in the first place? Surely it can’t have anything to do with the 11 plane loads of people from India arriving in the U.K. each day can it? If that was the case wouldn’t someone have done something about it?

An item from a couple of weeks ago stated that some 900 people a day travel between India and Britain. Of course it's long established custom, the Romany gypsies are of course from India originally, but they walked taking a little longer.
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[flecc]

I think point you are forgetting is car, desire for it and people's seemingly never satisfied attitude have driven Western civilisations development over past 50 years.

I'm forgetting nothing but ignoring much since change has to happen and will happen.

People like to think change they don't like the sound of won't happen, but a look back shows that it does to much greater degrees than is remembered. As an adult of 30 some 55 years ago, so far from even a lifetime, I didn't suffer from speed limits, there was only the 30 limit in built up areas which then meant where there were street lights. Everywhere else any speed was ok on any road so the lesser number of fast enough cars but many fast enough motorbikes could be great fun in freedom.

Now vast tracts of our country's roads are near to 100% limited, 20 mph limits can cover entire boroughs and even motorways have variable speed limits with the lanes of vehicles effectively driven by controllers in a remote CCTV office. If this had been suddenly introduced back then there would have been a huge uproar, but it crept up on us just the same. Just as e-cars are doing now with half a million of them on our British roads already.

You wouldn't recognise life in most of Europe, including here, in another 55 years time.
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[jonathan.agnew]

So the Indian variant is here, it’s out of control and it’s highly likely to **** up all the plans.

How did it get here in the first place? Surely it can’t have anything to do with the 11 plane loads of people from India arriving in the U.K. each day can it? If that was the case wouldn’t someone have done something about it?

And it certainly cant have anything to do with some of us voting for an idiot like Johnson and declaring the second coming (and eternal bliss of sunny uplands) and ignoring the saying about leopards and spots a few pages ago after he got lucky with some vaccine purchase..

 

[Jesus H Christ]

And it certainly cant have anything to do with some of us voting for an idiot like Johnson and declaring the second coming (and eternal bliss of sunny uplands) and ignoring the saying about leopards and spots a few pages ago after he got lucky with some vaccine purchase..

Ya still doin’ da votin’ ting mon?

 

[Zlatan]

And it certainly cant have anything to do with some of us voting for an idiot like Johnson and declaring the second coming (and eternal bliss of sunny uplands) and ignoring the saying about leopards and spots a few pages ago after he got lucky with some vaccine purchase..

Thing you forget tho Jonathon is people didn't vote for Johnson, they voted against every other alternative. Everybody knows Boris' faults, they aren't difficult to spot.
There simply wasn't a viable alternative. Anywhere. Come on Jonathon Hartleypool, and swathes of areas never voting Conservative before deserted Corbyn. And don't blame the media, they only played a part. The alternative is fractured, fractious and in disarray,it was at last election and is probably worse now. It wasn't Boris' qualities that won the election it was Labour's lack of them.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Ya still doin’ da votin’ ting mon?

It's a running with the hares, hunting with the hounds thing. I can see the appeal of that. boris does it all the time so it cannot possibly be a bad thing.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Thing you forget tho Jonathon is people didn't vote for Johnson, they voted against every other alternative. Everybody knows Boris' faults, they aren't difficult to spot.
There simply wasn't a viable alternative. Anywhere. Come on Jonathon Hartleypool, and swathes of areas never voting Conservative before deserted Corbyn. And don't blame the media, they only played a part. The alternative is fractured, fractious and in disarray,it was at last election and is probably worse now. It wasn't Boris' qualities that won the election it was Labour's lack of them.

Oh they voted for johnson. For brexit. Against eu membership. Lies in part. But mostly unenlightened self interest. And I think the honeymoon period is slowly drawing to a close.
Edit - anyhow, on a lighter note, and to avoid circular arguments about where we are, I at least half agree with you. We live in a populist time with low grade populist politicians of all persuasions. Think of yourself as having voted for boris to chair the board of the company where you've placed all your investments. Isnt that a reassuring feeling?

 

[oldgroaner]

So begins the epilogue
In the Telegraph
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Treasury prepares for bonfire of EU red tape
Brussels' reluctance to grant financial market access leaves Government poised to rip up rulebook to boost London's trading status

 

[Zlatan]

Oh they voted for johnson. For brexit. Against eu membership. Lies in part. But mostly unenlightened self interest. And I think the honeymoon period is slowly drawing to a close.
Edit - anyhow, on a lighter note, and to avoid circular arguments about where we are, I at least half agree with you. We live in a populist time with low grade populist politicians of all persuasions. Think of yourself as having voted for boris to chair the board of the company where you've placed all your investments. Isnt that a reassuring feeling?

Depends who other members of board are?

 

[oyster]

Depends who other members of board are?

“The rotten apple spoils his companion.”

 

[Zlatan]

“The rotten apple spoils his companion.”

Don't think Corbyn is actually rotten just not capable.

 

[oyster]

Don't think Corbyn is actually rotten just not capable.

I was thinking of Johnson who was referred to in the post I replied to!

Who also makes me think of that nasty, nasty disease, necrotising facsciitis.

 

[Zlatan]

[QUOTE="oyster, post: 616343, member: 21631"
Who also makes me think of that nasty, nasty disease, necrotising facsciitis.
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You need a hobby.
Momentum are running Leo Panitch (a tribute to him, he died last year) course for 40 potential organisers. You should enrol and focus all your feelings.??? Only a thought..
Think a few on here would make ideal candidates...rather than just moan on here about situation, do something.

 

[sjpt]

Thing you forget tho Jonathon is people didn't vote for Johnson, they voted against every other alternative.

Quite a few really did vote specifically for him. I was telling (LibDems) for some of the general election day: quite a few people explicitly said 'I'm voting for Boris'
(We were not allowed to and didn't ask, that information was just offered)

 

[oldgroaner]

[QUOTE="oyster, post: 616343, member: 21631"
Who also makes me think of that nasty, nasty disease, necrotising facsciitis.

You need a hobby.
Momentum are running Leo Panitch (a tribute to him, he died last year) course for 40 potential organisers. You should enrol and focus all your feelings.??? Only a thought..
Think a few on here would make ideal candidates...rather than just moan on here about situation, do something.
[/QUOTE]
Do as you say
Not as you do...ring any bells?