Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Don't think Corbyn is actually rotten just not capable.
He never got the chance to prove otherwise, did he? do you imagine the right wing media vilified him on the grounds he was less capable than Johnson?

Why would they fear someone incapable then elect one of the worst examples, and his shady and equally incompetent cronies?
I suggest you think that through again

I suggest they feared what he was capable of, and worse likely to do, causing their squalid tax avoidance and elitist agenda mortal damage.
 

flecc

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It wasn't Boris' qualities that won the election it was Labour's lack of them.
No. It was people believing all the lies and smears about Corbyn and Labour that won it for the Tories.

That was why there was such a dramatic difference between Labour's 2017 and 2019 GE results. They got close in 2017, close enougn to scare the Tories, so the latter turned the smear machine full on against the left for the 2019 election and Labour's vote slumped.

It really is that simple, how many times does that have to happen before people realise what is going on and stop falling for it?
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Zlatan

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He never got the chance to prove otherwise, did he? do you imagine the right wing media vilified him on the grounds he was less capable than Johnson?

Why would they fear someone incapable then elect one of the worst examples, and his shady and equally incompetent cronies?
I suggest you think that through again

I suggest they feared what he was capable of, and worse likely to do, causing their squalid tax avoidance and elitist agenda mortal damage.
Think his proposed attack on IHT was biggest vote loser. Scrapping allowance wouldn't make much difference to massively rich but would do to home owners, Tories cottoned on and effectively increased allowance, and it was Tories who made it possible to transfer unused portion of a previously deceased spouse to surviving member without a cap. Lifts many totally out of IHT. As it should be...
 

Zlatan

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You need a hobby.
Momentum are running Leo Panitch (a tribute to him, he died last year) course for 40 potential organisers. You should enrol and focus all your feelings.??? Only a thought..
Think a few on here would make ideal candidates...rather than just moan on here about situation, do something.
Do as you say
Not as you do...ring any bells?
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I, m not moaning about current situation, Boris or Tories. If you haven't noticed yet OG, I think Tories have done OK generally with Covid and exceptionally well with Vaccine and I, m fairly convinced Boris is best of a terribly bad lot at moment, sat on either side of house.
If I felt like many infer they feel on here I, d be registering for a place on Momentum course.. Cometh the hour and all that..
I wasn't been insulting either... Think way you feel you should do more than moan on here. Organising and Spreading the socialist word via Momentum would be ideal for 4 or 5 folk posting.. He was a clever bloke but not sure why Labour should honour a Canadian socialist over our home grown misled is a bit insulting but there you go..
 

flecc

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He was a clever bloke but not sure why Labour should honour a Canadian socialist over our home grown misled is a bit insulting but there you go..
He was a professor emeritus at York University for a decade and occupied the chair of the Political Science department there for much of that time, so was also a strong figure in Britain's socialism.
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Zlatan

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He was a professor emeritus at York University for a decade and occupied the chair of the Political Science department there for much of that time, so was also a strong figure in Britain's socialism.
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Gifted chap and decent with it. Can't quite see point calling a course after him but would be good for some. I won't be enrolling any time soon but it's an opportunity for any outspoken socialist minded types.
Sister knew him vaguely, she always spoke well of him even tho not in full agreement with his politics.
 
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So the Indian variant is here, it’s out of control and it’s highly likely to **** up all the plans.

How did it get here in the first place? Surely it can’t have anything to do with the 11 plane loads of people from India arriving in the U.K. each day can it? If that was the case wouldn’t someone have done something about it?
There were many people warning that India needed to be put on the Red list around 3 weeks to a month or so before they actually went on it. Now I am sure if the Indian variant causes a delay in the plans for easing lockdown controls and there is an inquiry, BJ will be able to show he was following advice from the experts.

The thing is, BJ was desperately trying to get out to see the PM of Indian Modi, to secure some type of trade deal between us. Everyone in the Government and the civil service knows that BJ is desperate to show being out of the EU means we can get better trade deals now than when we were in the EU.

Therefore no one is going to go on record and upset BJ in anyway and tell him officially not to go to India, hence we had thousands of people coming back from India without having to go into isolation hotels and so spreading what looks like a more contagious version of the virus than the Kent variant.

I just hope that we can vaccinate enough people (and the vaccine is effective) before the Indian variant explodes and we are back to square one again. The amazing thing is though, even if that was to happen, many people would not attach any blame what so ever to BJ, in fact they would be feeling sorry for him and saying he is trying his best.
 

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What is the tax situation for Johnson re the holiday?

I wonder if it has been declared to HMRC?

Rather thinking that if it was double the value, and he has declared a value, it is very likely that he only declared £15,000. Otherwise there would be a clash in value which wouldn't look good. If the value is now seen to be £30,000, his assumed £15,000 HMRC declaration is tantamount to tax evasion.

Oh! And failure to make anything stick will, in the fullness of time, probably result in some form of external/independent oversight with teeth - even if it takes decades to come about.
 
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Zlatan

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What is the tax situation for Johnson re the holiday?

I wonder if it has been declared to HMRC?

Rather thinking that if it was double the value, and he has declared a value, it is very likely that he only declared £15,000. Otherwise there would be a clash in value which wouldn't look good. If the value is now seen to be £30,000, his assumed £15,000 HMRC declaration is tantamount to tax evasion.

Oh! And failure to make anything stick will, in the fullness of time, probably result in some form of external/independent oversight with teeth - even if it takes decades to come about.
Are gifts taxed? Think if giftee expires less than 7 years after gift it could be subject to IHT but don't think "gift" would attract tax otherwise???
 

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What is the tax situation for Johnson re the holiday?

I wonder if it has been declared to HMRC?

Rather thinking that if it was double the value, and he has declared a value, it is very likely that he only declared £15,000. Otherwise there would be a clash in value which wouldn't look good. If the value is now seen to be £30,000, his assumed £15,000 HMRC declaration is tantamount to tax evasion.

Oh! And failure to make anything stick will, in the fullness of time, probably result in some form of external/independent oversight with teeth - even if it takes decades to come about.
Follows the rules of several African regimes, only the opposition can be called out as corrupt.
 

oyster

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Are gifts taxed? Think if giftee expires less than 7 years after gift it could be subject to IHT but don't think "gift" would attract tax otherwise???
There seems to be an issue if the gift is received in any way related to a person's employment. Thus, if he was given this because he is PM, I think there might be something. But am very far from being fluent in tax affairs.
 

flecc

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Are gifts taxed? Think if giftee expires less than 7 years after gift it could be subject to IHT but don't think "gift" would attract tax otherwise???
It's immensely complex and dependent on the amounts given, if the giver expires within seven years and exactly who the gifts are to. There are also exempted amounts, you can give £3000 in any one year with exemption from IHT. You can also give as many individual amounts of up to £250 that you wish to, so long as they are to different individuals and not to recipients of the exempted £3000.

There's a bedtime read on this link that should ensure you fall asleep.
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oyster

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It's immensely complex and dependent on the amounts given, if the giver expires within seven years and exactly who the gifts are to. There are also exempted amounts, you can give £3000 in any one year with exemption from IHT. You can also give as many individual amounts of up to £250 that you wish to, so long as they are to different individuals and not to recipients of the exempted £3000.

There's a bedtime read on this link that should ensure you fall asleep.
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If we do not actually know who donated it, and David Ross just says he was the facilitator not the donor, we cannot know if/when they expire. Hence, any IHT would be incalculable and we cannot work out the effective value of the gift.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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Think his proposed attack on IHT was biggest vote loser. Scrapping allowance wouldn't make much difference to massively rich but would do to home owners, Tories cottoned on and effectively increased allowance, and it was Tories who made it possible to transfer unused portion of a previously deceased spouse to surviving member without a cap. Lifts many totally out of IHT. As it should be...
Labour simply wanted to reverse cuts made to inheritance tax by george Osborne (remember him? that idiot that froze nhs salaries and increased the haemhorage of clinicians not too long befor a pandemic?). Labour manifesto would as I recall reimplement 40% tax on inheritance over 325k (something like 475k if left to children). I'm all for it. Nothing better than making ones children make their own way in the world instead of being paralysed by an inheritancee that allow them to retreat from reality.
 
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Zlatan

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Labour simply wanted to reverse cuts made to inheritance tax by george Osborne (remember him? that corrupt idiot that froze nhs salaries and increased the haemhorage of clinicians not too long befor a pandemic?). Labour manifesto would as I recall reimplement 40% tax on inheritance over 325k (something like 475k if left to children). I'm all for it. Nothing better than making ones children make their own way in the world instead of being paralysed by an inheritancee that allow them to retreat from reality.

I thought they were planning on scrapping allowance completely.??? I, ll have a look.


Plans were to eventually scrap IHT but replace it with a gift tax on any amounts over £125k...but at a sliding scale of tax levels. Essentially lowering allowance to £125k...bringing almost everyone into IHT payments.???
IHT rates are already 40% (likely to become 41%?) raising extra revenue from IHT would mean targeting middle income families, a certain vote loser. Those over midlle income earners know where to put money to avoid the tax any way.
 
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oyster

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Just seen that a company which has long been offering blood tests to people across the UK has just stopped offering them to Northern Ireland. Not yet found out their reason - could be transport delays? or Irish Sea border issues?

Any ideas?
 

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