Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

So what you are saying is, the scientific community used their expertise to develop a strategy which they then recommended to the government who implemented it. I didn’t say anything different.

You chose to introduce jelly and ice cream.

If the government had taken the advice and implemented it, fine. They didn't. They received the advice and appeared about to reject it. Thus they found the advisers believing they had to use something close to blackmail - threatening to leave.

I understand an adviser who thinks their advice is being rejected might well feel they had no option but to resign. But the consequences of the government losing their advisers might not have played well for Johnson & Co.

 

[flecc]

Infection rate down, hospitalisations down, daily deaths down. That’s what the single dose strategy was intended to do. It’s done it. It’s a successful and ingenious strategy.

But only very temporary and not lasting. That might only happen with the second jabs completed in time, itself not proven and a target which is already being missed.

All part of the ongoing shambles of guesswork and gambling.
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[oyster]

Yesterday I heard (again) the suggestion that we will need a so-called booster vaccination in September.

I wonder whether planning for that has been done?

Or will we see most of the current vaccination processes, centres, distribution, etc., dismantled. Then suddenly realise they need to re-establish everything.

 

[sjpt]

The relaxation of lockdown is starting to show in the cases/million figures. Only a tiny increase as yet and inevitable. Still below the figures at the start of the month. I'm sure the figures will continue to creep up; lets just hope the increase remains very slow and levels out before too long.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

The relaxation of lockdown is starting to show in the cases/million figures. Only a tiny increase as yet and inevitable. Still below the figures at the start of the month. I'm sure the figures will continue to creep up; lets just hope the increase remains very slow and levels out before too long.

It’s inevitable that Infections, hospitalisations and deaths will rise with each easement. It’s by how much though. What price for releasing lockdown?

 

[oyster]

The relaxation of lockdown is starting to show in the cases/million figures. Only a tiny increase as yet and inevitable. Still below the figures at the start of the month. I'm sure the figures will continue to creep up; lets just hope the increase remains very slow and levels out before too long.

R rate in London reported to have risen something like 0.7 to 1.0 (might have the figures slightly wrong).

 

[flecc]

R rate in London reported to have risen something like 0.7 to 1.0 (might have the figures slightly wrong).

London’s R rate now stands at a best estimate of between 0.8 and 1.1. The figure marks a marginal hike from last week, when scientists estimated that the R rate was between 0.8 and 1.

The infections are very localised though, an area of perimeter boroughs on the north west being the main source, plus an input from the two more central boroughs of Wandsworth and Lambeth. Those latter two were bound to show an increase due to mass testing for the African variant so probably lots of false positives recorded.
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[oldgroaner]

Waving the flag is far better than burning it and trampling its ashes into ground as you do..
At times there is reason to wave a flag.. Its the radical extremes like you burning them we should try and eliminate.
The vaccine roll out is something we should celebrate as a nation. There isn't much to rejoice about these days.
Suspect you, d be taken far more seriously if you took bother to discriminate a bit. Yes, elements of our Governments behaviour deserve your criticism. The roll out is not one of them. If you applauded the good bits and criticised the bad you might be taken rather more seriously. As it is you simply appear hypocritical, critical of everything but taking benefits along the way with neither thanks or applaud for anyone, irrespective of their efforts.

Er, just for the record why not specify the "good bits?" and explain how they cancel out the criminality employed that resulted in so many deaths with mad schemes like eat out to help out?
Rather like complimenting someone because he created the Autobahn network and ignoring everything else.
Your opinion is that I appear hypocritical, do you even understand what that means?
Are you accusing me of continuously changing my mind? and have I in any way changed sides...............EVER????



Zlatan I no more want you to take me seriously, than I do you.
My opinion on your statements and attitude should have been obvious long ago.

 

[oldgroaner]

Say you go to the greengrocer at 08:00 am in the morning and buy some carrots. If Mrs Grayson then rolls up at 4:00 pm and can’t decide if she wants carrots or parsnips, or even if she wants any carrots at all, she can’t then complain when the grocer has sold out.

Let me know if you ever get round to deciphering this little riddle of yours.

 

[oyster]

London’s R rate now stands at a best estimate of between 0.8 and 1.1. The figure marks a marginal hike from last week, when scientists estimated that the R rate was between 0.8 and 1.

The infections are very localised though, an area of perimeter boroughs on the north west being the main source, plus an input from the two more central boroughs of Wandsworth and Lambeth. Those latter two were bound to show an increase due to mass testing for the African variant so probably lots of false positives recorded.
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As so often, it all depends on where you read it!

London’s R rate has climbed above 1 for the first time in months, meaning the spread of the virus may no longer be slowing across the capital.
https://www.cityam.com/breaking-london-r-rate-grows-above-1-for-first-time-in-months/

 

[oldgroaner]

Another Brexit inconvenience

Brexit cost my bicycle business £250,000 extra in just two months, and I can't see any positives' The extra costs of doing trade with Europe have already wiped out the entire 2020 profits of Frog Bikes in Pontypool

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Let me know if you ever get round to deciphering this little riddle of yours.

Say you go to the greengrocer at 08:00 am in the morning and buy some carrots. If Mrs Grayson then rolls up at 4:00 pm and can’t decide if she wants carrots or parsnips, or even if she wants any carrots at all, she can’t then complain when the grocer has sold out.

 

[oyster]

Er, just for the record why not specify the "good bits?"

Reminds me of...



SCENE: BISHOP'S BREAKFAST TABLE.
Bishop (to timid Curate on a visit). "Dear me, I'm afraid your egg's not good!"; Timid Curate. "Oh, yes, my Lord, really – er – some parts of it are very good."
Originally published in Judy, 22 May 1895.

 

[flecc]

As so often, it all depends on where you read it!

London’s R rate has climbed above 1 for the first time in months, meaning the spread of the virus may no longer be slowing across the capital.
https://www.cityam.com/breaking-london-r-rate-grows-above-1-for-first-time-in-months/

As you saw, they are estimates. They keep making this same mistake of looking at where it's bad and presenting that as London wide. London is very big place, even my borough is one of two entirely different Covid halves and has been throughout.

We don't even have an R rate in the south of the borough.
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[flecc]

Say you go to the greengrocer at 08:00 am in the morning and buy some carrots. If Mrs Grayson then rolls up at 4:00 pm and can’t decide if she wants carrots or parsnips, or even if she wants any carrots at all, she can’t then complain when the grocer has sold out.

Nah that's all wrong.

At 8 am the carrots could be sold out from the previous day, but later the freshly dug up root veg delivery will have arrived. My onion, carrot and swede are simmering on the stove at this very moment.
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[Zlatan]

Reminds me of...

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SCENE: BISHOP'S BREAKFAST TABLE.
Bishop (to timid Curate on a visit). "Dear me, I'm afraid your egg's not good!"; Timid Curate. "Oh, yes, my Lord, really – er – some parts of it are very good."
Originally published in Judy, 22 May 1895.

Rather a simplistic view of Government and life in general. Makes it so easy when you are prejudiced to obsession and everything is either right or absolutely bad and wrong.
Don't know about your life but in mine parts of it I, ve made great decisions, majority just OK and some plain bad.
Comparing our government to a good or bad egg ain't a great analogy is it, unless it fits your narrative of... Tories bad... Perhaps we should apply same standard of analysis to EU or Labour party. Or bin a car because air con is rubbish.
This car is crap because tyres are rubbish. A better analysis might be to fit new tyres.
Bin the bad egg and go elsewhere for brekky.
Some analogies are just so bad they make situation worse. Think this is one of them. Life is rather more complicated than black or white, good or bad. And it's same with people unless you are prejudiced or racist. Takes away the necessity to think or analyse.

 

[Woosh]

Another Brexit inconvenience

Brexit cost my bicycle business £250,000 extra in just two months, and I can't see any positives' The extra costs of doing trade with Europe have already wiped out the entire 2020 profits of Frog Bikes in Pontypool

I am not surprised.
Brexit is OK-ish for importers but bad for exporters.
I can't sell anything to the EU at the moment because my EU customers would have to pay duty again on parts coming from the ROC. That's the situation as long as we are outside the EU customs union.

 

[Woosh]

unless it fits your narrative of... Tories bad...

just look how they helped themselves with government's contracts.

 

[Danidl]

Say you go to the greengrocer at 08:00 am in the morning and buy some carrots. If Mrs Grayson then rolls up at 4:00 pm and can’t decide if she wants carrots or parsnips, or even if she wants any carrots at all, she can’t then complain when the grocer has sold out.

I can just about accept that, but Mr Green is more likely to ensure, that since Mrs Greyson is a known customer ,and represents the biggest guesthouse in the village, he will have kept some goods for her. Moreover since she had in fact phoned down the previous evening and had ordered the mushrooms , and said she would likely want carrots.
Actually the situation with AZ and the EU and UK is more complex than that, and there are people saying that the EUs contract PREDATEs the UKs one. It is certainly the case that both France and Germany had much earlier contracts in place, but were persuaded by UVDL to consolidate with a broader EU operation.

 

[oldgroaner]

The Telegraph are still on with the cover up
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Equivalence is dead … the UK must lose EU shackles
It is time to embark on the three steps that will let global finance flourish in the UK

Apparently those rotten foreigners across the channel are rigging everything to undermine the grand old monopoly we had over the world of finance.
Watch out for some really hair brained schemes!