Brexit, for once some facts.

Jesus H Christ

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Utter rubbish, the 70 limit is nothing to do with safety.

It was trialled for two years in the late 1960s and when it made no difference to any accident rates it was withdrawn.

Then when the Arab oil crisis happened in the early 1970s the 70 limit was reintroduced as an economy measure, together with the national 60 mph limit for the same reason. There was no mention of safety in that legislation.

Those two limits were never withdrawn so they remain an economy measure that by default already also applies to the newer electric cars.

As always, one needs to know the subject well enough to comment.
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Sadly, I must also classify you as being a Public Nuisance.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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Not quite true. There was a bit of a fracas in parliament over an AC Cobra doing 150 mph on a newly opened stretch of M1... An E type (a factory version) had also been tested to a similar speed...
I don't actually think raising speed limit to 85 or so(its that at moment really) would affect overall figures much but accidents are more damaging with only slight increases in speed.
Its perhaps not the speed limit but our attitude. 100 mph in some places is fine... 25 in others too fast.. Only point I was making is that roads are not race tracks for anybody in answer to JA saying it was normal to take risks driving. It shouldn't be.
And to be fair drivers in UK are without doubt best in EU... French roads are lethal and their death figures suggest same. They still (some anyway) still work to their old right of way system on roundabouts. ie) going onto roundabout you have priority. There used to be an old chap everyday drive from Boulou to Argeles, drove onto roundabouts oblivious to anyone on there. How he didn't kill anyone I don't know... End of day he do same going back.
I find doing 85mph on french roll roads much more relaxing, safe and civilised than crawling around at less than 70 on the uk's broken potholed road network (that feels designed by the frontal lobe syndromed for those travelling nowhere in particular)
 

Zlatan

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I find doing 85mph on french roll roads much more relaxing, safe and civilised than crawling around at less than 70 on the uk's broken potholed road network (that feels designed by the frontal lobe syndromed for those travelling nowhere in particular)
It is but expensive now... Easily a years road tax in a day...
And be careful... Couple I knew were asked go speak to Gendarme near payment booth and to show tickets. They had hammered down in a Mondeo diesel... Fined on spot, with toll payments and times as proof of their exploits..??? And with Brexit and the general antagonism between us an French at moment it will only get worse...
 

Zlatan

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Completely true, it was an economy law and remains so. MPs raise all sorts of rubbish in discussing legislation but that wasn't and isn't part of the law.
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Well nobody actually knows. 70 mph limit was before serious fuel crisis..
And limit was introduced when your average car was lucky if it did 70mph.(mught have said so on speedo, but they invariably over read by 10%)
Your average car now could probably double speed limit now..
And road traffic on motorways has probably gone up 10 fold??
Throw in smart motorways, useless drivers, fast cars, bigger lorries and not having a speed limit sounds a recipe for disaster.
70mph on our roads is fine..
 
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Danidl

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Utter rubbish, the 70 limit is nothing to do with safety.

It was trialled for two years in the late 1960s and when it made no difference to any accident rates it was withdrawn.

Then when the Arab oil crisis happened in the early 1970s the 70 limit was reintroduced as an economy measure, together with the national 60 mph limit for the same reason. There was no mention of safety in that legislation.

Those two limits were never withdrawn so they remain an economy measure that by default already also applies to the newer electric cars.

As always, one needs to know the subject well enough to comment.
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Flecc, You are overegging the pudding on this one. I know your knowledge and interest of mechanical engineering is greater than mine. It is true that the speed limits were reduced in the Western world following the first oil crisis, but not as an economic measure, but for rationing and fuel shortage reasons. The USA even went to 55 mph. on motorways. It did have an advantage on road safety stats, which is why it was retained. Now my Civil engineering colleagues have all these fancy arcane rules about cambers and sightlines and they now design motorways for a 70 mph safe limit.
Vehicle technology has dramatically improved over the last 50 years so it is very likely that a modern small car is safer and certainly more economical at 90 than was a big car in the 70s , but there is now a hell of a lot more around.. a big car in the 70s might do 30 mpg at at low speed and will be down to 15? at 90 .
Air resistance power loss is 2.2 times more at 90 than 70 and stopping distances at least 1.7 longer
 
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oldgroaner

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Wholly inadequate security.

Almost anyone could produce them by the thousand as a reasonable facsimile.

And nothing to link the card to the person holding it.
Odd that it was good enough to present as proof of identity for your second jab in that case, Hmm?
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jonathan.agnew

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Flecc, You are overegging the pudding on this one. I know your knowledge and interest of mechanical engineering is greater than mine. It is true that the speed limits were reduced in the Western world following the first oil crisis, but not as an economic measure, but for rationing and fuel shortage reasons. The USA even went to 55 mph. on motorways. It did have an advantage on road safety stats, which is why it was retained. Now my Civil engineering colleagues have all these fancy arcane rules about cambers and sightlines and they now design motorways for a 70 mph safe limit.
Vehicle technology has dramatically improved over the last 50 years so it is very likely that a modern small car is safer and certainly more economical at 90 than was a big car in the 70s , but there is now a hell of a lot more around.. a big car in the 70s might do 30 mpg at at low speed and will be down to 15? at 90 .
Air resistance power loss is 2.2 times more at 90 than 70 and stopping distances at least 1.7 longer
This is idiosyncratic, but a tesla s at 90 stops and handles safer (and is a great deal more economic) than a triumph tr2 at 70 (or 30 to be honest - theres no crumple zones head restraints etc)
 

oyster

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Odd that it was good enough to present as proof of identity for your second jab in that case, Hmm?
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If it is anything like our arrangements, no need for anything like a card. They rang to arrange an appointment. I arrived, checked name, address, etc., crossed off list, ushered to chair, left with card.

Very difficult to get round especially as it was being run by the GP surgery so the people involved there actually know a lot of the injectees.

For a second injection, I imagine much the same again.
 

flecc

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It is true that the speed limits were reduced in the Western world following the first oil crisis, but not as an economic measure, but for rationing and fuel shortage reasons.
Please read my post. I did not say an economic measure. I posted an economy measure, i.e. fuel economy.

Which was and remains correct.
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oyster

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Thought I'd look up the specific risk factors for CVST:


What are the risk factors for cerebral venous sinus thrombosis?

Children and adults have different risk factors for CVST.

Risk factors for children and infants include:

  • Problems with the way their blood forms clots
  • Sickle cell anemia
  • Chronic hemolytic anemia
  • Beta-thalassemia major
  • Heart disease — either congenital (you're born with it) or acquired (you develop it)
  • Iron deficiency
  • Certain infections
  • Dehydration
  • Head injury
  • For newborns, a mother who had certain infections or a history of infertility
Risk factors for adults include:
  • Pregnancy and the first few weeks after delivery
  • Problems with blood clotting; for example, antiphospholipid syndrome, protein C and S deficiency, antithrombin III deficiency, lupus anticoagulant, or factor V Leiden mutation
  • Cancer
  • Collagen vascular diseases like lupus, Wegener’s granulomatosis, and Behcet syndrome
  • Obesity
  • Low blood pressure in the brain (intracranial hypotension)
  • Inflammatory bowel disease like Crohn’s disease or ulcerative colitis
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/cerebral-venous-sinus-thrombosis
 

Danidl

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Point 1: You can’t name three people and refer to them as, “both.”

Point 2: Long Covid

Point 3: The threat from the virus > the threat from the vaccine.
Point 2 has some validity... Point 3. is adequately addressed in my post, and point 1 was completely covered by flecc.
 

Danidl

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Please read my post. I did not say an economic measure. I posted an economy measure, i.e. fuel economy.

Which was and remains correct.
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We were not in full disagreement. I remember the days of having to que and then only getting a few gallons. The problem was very acute for my father, who as a GP needed mobility. I would occasionally sit in the que for him, while he did surgery.
 

Zlatan

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Road users have had speed limits imposed before they could even measure mpg. Blokes with red flags in real early days and the 30 mph limit in 1935...or 4..
Whatever the reason for its intriduction is not worth arguing about, in reality it was no doubt a combination of all mentioned and for government to be seen to behaving proactively.
But as I, ve said before its probably more important than ever for all reasons mentioned..
And yes a Tesla could brake from 90 in similar time to an Anglia from 50 but so what?, driver must react in both. An Anglia with a safe driver is way safer than a Tesla with an idiot.
And
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From Google
And
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I think flecc is mixing the two events... We are all getting older.
 
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