Brexit, for once some facts.

Jesus H Christ

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I’m just trying to remember if we’ve ever had mandatory vaccination in the U.K. Polio? TB? Did we have a choice?

I seem to remember having a choice regarding the TB jab at school. You could choose to submit to the injection or you could choose to have Mr Berry, the games teacher, drag you to the sick lame & lazy bay to be held down whilst the nurse stuck the needle in your arm.
 

Zlatan

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I’m just trying to remember if we’ve ever had mandatory vaccination in the U.K. Polio? TB? Did we have a choice?

I seem to remember having a choice regarding the TB jab at school. You could choose to submit to the injection or you could choose to have Mr Berry, the games teacher, drag you to the sick lame & lazy bay to be held down whilst the nurse stuck the needle in your arm.
Good point. They just lined us up and stabbed us... Can't remember anybody getting choice to avoid it and I, m not sure parents knew when it was going to happen.
I know quite a few who are not going to have it. Seem to be similar age groups and mentality... The conspiracy theorist backers between 30 and 45 ish.. Don't get it at all..
 

wheeler

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I do know of course, but the temptation was too good to pass up!

What Clan Wheeler?
Not one of the scunner Campbells are ye?
We make out of hours calls for less...alleged Scot indeed! :oops:
Ok I know we got burned out of house and home and and banned forever, but as far as I'm concerned Yorkshire is part of Scotland and (nearly) always has been
Terrible thing temptation ;)
I suspect I am from a border clan also, don't know if my forebears were involved in reiving.
 
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Zlatan

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Looks like Hancock visits Glasgow..

But joking apart that is impressive. He, s got his CoG higher than some trained athletes could.??
 

oldgroaner

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I’m just trying to remember if we’ve ever had mandatory vaccination in the U.K. Polio? TB? Did we have a choice?

I seem to remember having a choice regarding the TB jab at school. You could choose to submit to the injection or you could choose to have Mr Berry, the games teacher, drag you to the sick lame & lazy bay to be held down whilst the nurse stuck the needle in your arm.
What a school! when it was the Polio vaccination they gave us ours on a sugar lump
 
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Zlatan

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Only 23% of vaccines delivered to Ireland have been administered.???
 

oldgroaner

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Terrible thing temptation ;)
I suspect I am from a border clan also, don't know if my forebears were involved in reiving.
Very fashionable at one time, so it's very likely
We followed the maxim that Ken Dodd once explained
"I suffer from Kleptomania,
when it gets bad I take something for it!" :D
 

oldgroaner

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Only 23% of vaccines delivered to Ireland have been administered.???
And even at that they have managed some second shots!
"A support worker receives her second shot of the Moderna vaccine but less than a quarter of the delivered doses have so far been used "

There's a moral there somewhere.
 
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oyster

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Dorries is misleading us:


Yet - to directly contradict that "no other public sector...":

In addition, workers earning below £24,000 will receive a pay rise of at least £250 (although for some this could still represent a pay cut in real terms).


"At least £250" works out at 1.04% on £24,000. So not just getting a pay rise, but actually a slightly higher percentage.
 

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"At least £250" works out at 1.04% on £24,000. So not just getting a pay rise, but actually a slightly higher percentage.
But that is for a very low pay rate, even newly qualified nurses apparently average £10k more at £34k.
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Danidl

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Only 23% of vaccines delivered to Ireland have been administered.???
Nope!. The reverse . 85% of the vaccines provided to Ireland in January and February are in people's arms. by March 3rd.. I would trust the Cork Examiner more. The Moderna vaccine is the least used type and with the smallest stockpile. This is one of those cases where one can deliberately tell an untruth, by selective facts. It might well be that only 23% of the Moderna has been administered, and 76% is not.. but the majority of the effort has gone into the Pfizer and any AZ available has been used.
All the Moderna vaccine delivered in January has been consumed, and the delivery date of the second consignment in February is not mentioned.
 
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Zlatan

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Nope!. The reverse . 85% of the vaccines provided to Ireland in January and February are in people's arms. by March 3rd.. I would trust the Cork Examiner more. The Moderna vaccine is the least used type and with the smallest stockpile. This is one of those cases where one can deliberately tell an untruth, by selective facts. It might well be that only 23% of the Moderna has been administered, and 76% is not.. but the majority of the effort has gone into the Pfizer and any AZ available has been used.
All the Moderna vaccine delivered in January has been consumed, and the delivery date of the second consignment in February is not mentioned.
Of course, the times is notoriously unreliable, whereas the Cork Examiner has world known renown. My mistake, well the times actually. But there you go. Don't shoot the messenger I, d contact Times if I were so convinced Danidl. I, m sure they, d take it seriously.
Just finished watching news night..
Isn't it time for a government with no party politics obsession or attachment. No idea how we, d get there but the moment any politician is asked anything their first response is to bull up their own party and put down opposition and in mean time forget how to work out right way forward. All as bad as each other, we see it on here.
If a good thought comes from other side of house, it's derided. Not because of its merit but because of its origin and party of person making suggestion. The vaccine roll out knocked purely because origins of it are seen Tory based. (when in reality they are no such thing)
We need radical changes in society, and have done for years. Seems to me both, or all, sides are more interested in party advancement than society success. Labour just as bad as Tories. Labour bloke tonight when asked way forward and why his government made little headway in social reform spent more time knocking Tories than outlining a plan. Gavin bloke spoke well, as did doctor. Thought rest idealists.???
If we could eliminate poverty and inequality, well we, d be just fine. Yep, you don't say.How though?
 
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oldgroaner

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Of course, the times is notoriously unreliable, whereas the Cork Examiner has world known renown. My mistake, well the times actually. But there you go. Don't shoot the messenger I, d contact Times if I were so convinced Danidl. I, m sure they, d take it seriously.
Just finished watching news night..
Isn't it time for a government with no party politics obsession or attachment. No idea how we, d get there but the moment any politician is asked anything their first response is to bull up their own party and put down opposition and in mean time forget how to work out right way forward. All as bad as each other, we see it on here.
If a good thought comes from other side of house, it's derided. Not because of its merit but because of its origin and party of person making suggestion. The vaccine roll out knocked purely because origins of it are seen Tory based. (when in reality they are no such thing)
We need radical changes in society, and have done for years. Seems to me both, or all, sides are more interested in party advancement than society success. Labour just as bad as Tories. Labour bloke tonight when asked way forward and why his government made little headway in social reform spent more time knocking Tories than outlining a plan. Gavin bloke spoke well, as did doctor. Thought rest idealists.???
If we could eliminate poverty and inequality, well we, d be just fine. Yep, you don't say.How though?
The speed of the vaccine rollout is indeed very good, but the reasoning for interfering with the dosage dates not based on science at the time, it was a political gamble, and as to the reason they chose that course?
Expediency much more likely than humanitarian, after all look at the stunts they pulled with PPE.

Fascinating "Don't shoot the messenger?" recommended advice!
As to how to eliminate poverty?
Change to a more representative voting system so this aberration never happens again
Rejoin the EU
Make the country productive in a modern way
Close down offshore Tax dodging

Find a balance between Socialism and capitalism that favours the best aspects of both
 
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oldgroaner

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They're having a Funny turn at the Daily Mail

Strange that this smaller transgression makes such as splash when there far bigger multiple cases of Government corruption currently exist
Amazing that a Headline about expensive decor is used to gaslight them, are we supposed to see this as investigative journalism?
 
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