Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

Share price is $20 and the hedge funds have promised to buy 120% of them at some point in the near future.

as you said, those who bought at $20 a share have realised some profit so they can't lose.
How about those who joined the bandwagon only in the last week?
What goes up on a hot air balloon will come down just as quickly. As soon as the market makers decide to pull the plug, the price will plunge.
They make money whichever way the price moves.
I reckon the craziness will end some time this week.

 

[Danidl]

The orders were placed before anyone knew if the vaccine would be effective or how effective it would be. That had to be done, no option. Other countries we’re starting to place advance orders and if the government had delayed, we would have been further down the queue facing a vaccine shortage, like many EU countries. Fortunately, nearly all the vaccines our government reviewed and put faith in have turned out to be winners, hence the over supply. It could easily have gone the other way. They did a good job here.

Your ridiculous comments regarding going for the cheapest are just that, ridiculous. The AZ vaccine is a British invention, so it’s only right to back something developed in your own back yard. Unlike other countries, the U.K. realise that as many people on the planet need vaccine as possible, hence the AZ vaccine is a not for profit product. This makes it cheaper than vaccine produced by other countries / companies who seek to profit from Coronavirus.

The U.K. will have more vaccine than it needs, and the government has signalled an intent to give away the surplus to other nations that need it or can’t afford it. All geared towards vaccinating as many people as possible. We may even end up giving some to France and rightly so.

The AZ may be slightly less effective at blocking symptoms, if unlucky you may develop a sniffle, but it is at least equal to anything else in terms of keeping you alive and out of hospital. Those two factors are 99.99% of the objective. So it’s a winner.

I’ll say the same to you as I did to the Leprechaun. There is a large number of people who are either sceptical or nervous about vaccination. We need them to take it or else the point of you or I being vaccinated is diminished.

Posting the twisted hate filled sort of bull $hit you have done above contributes nothing. It’s incorrect, it’s dangerous and it is silly. I personally know many people who are giving up large amounts of their time and taking some level of personal risk volunteering at vaccination centres. Your spite filled ant-British garbage is undermining those people, others like them, the NHS and the people who developed vaccines.

If you want to vent whatever pent up anti-U.K. frustrations you harbour, find another topic and stay off vaccination. You are injuring people.

The U.K. is doing well with it’s vaccination efforts and it’s the only way out of this hole. Show some support.

..nope the Oxford Jenner vaccine was an Irish invention, in that the architect of its design and Director of the program is a Dubliner. But why let facts interrupt a strong narrative?.

"The U.K. is doing well with it’s vaccination efforts and it’s the only way out of this hole.".. is the key point and I fully agree.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

You really should enrol on a course for the rehabilitation of people with anger management problems
Firstly I haven't spread doubt about vaccine safety, just the wisdom of extending the vaccination period.
That is a perfectly reasonable point of view, unless you are simply prepared to gamble
Now grow up

The UK’s senior independent medical experts and the UK’s best minds on matters relating to vaccination have said that the extended interval will save the most lives.

What do you hope to achieve by undermining a strategy developed for the purpose of keeping more people alive?

What’s the goal you hope to score by posting garbage which contradicts the opinion of people infinitely more qualified on the subject than you? People who just want to keep other people alive. Where are you going with this?

I’m not angry, I feel sorry for you. You are behaving like a completely deluded **** and someone has done that to you. Stop for your own sake and that of others.

 

[oyster]

Careful what you wish for Flecc. EU have demonstrated their capabilities brilliantly. For their sake she should shoulder blame and leave. If she doesn't it's another one of many growing arguments against EU..???

Johnson demonstrated his incapabilities repeatedly, day after day, sometimes several times in a day, or even one interview or speech or announcement.

 

[Danidl]

How EU’s floundering vaccine effort hit a fresh crisis with exports row

A new rule on exports from Europe suddenly blew up into a threat to the withdrawal agreement – and a hasty backtrack

www.theguardian.com

Even the Guardian now seeing EU at fault..
Amazing isn't it. The only 2 people in the world not critical of EU's roll out and actions with UK post on here.

How many times must it be repeated that when the EU or EC makes decisions it puts them in writing. ? There was NO decision by the EC/EU to break the NI Protocol. At worst there was clumsy wording , which was interpreted by this Twitter writer as meaning an intention to break the NI Protocol . As I said yesterday it made no sense. Every vial of every vaccine is bar coded, recorded delivery , the entire delivery chain quality assured. ..It has to be. So large scale smuggling was never a runner.
In fact if you read the EU communique, it even makes reference to countries on the same (tectonic)plate which NI and Ireland are on.

 

[Danidl]

The UK’s senior independent medical experts and the UK’s best minds on matters relating to vaccination have said that the extended interval will save the most lives.

What do you hope to achieve by undermining a strategy developed for the purpose of keeping more people alive?

What’s the goal you hope to score by posting garbage which contradicts the opinion of people infinitely more qualified on the subject than you? People who just want to keep other people alive. Where are you going with this?

I’m not angry, I feel sorry for you. You are behaving like a completely deluded **** and someone has done that to you. Stop for your own sake and that of others.

My preference would be to go with the Science , and innoculate people as per the designated schedule. It would be better having 20% fully safe than 40% possibly safe. Now if it means that a new double dose cycle given in say June and July , making three doses in total , and the production capacity has upgraded by then, the calculation changes.
But I am concerned that the 40% will engage in even more risky behaviour , and get both themselves and the 60% who have not been innoculated ill.

 

[oyster]

My preference would be to go with the Science , and innoculate people as per the designated schedule. It would be better having 20% fully safe than 40% possibly safe. Now if it means that a new double dose cycle given in say June and July , making three doses in total , and the production capacity has upgraded by then, the calculation changes.

Doesn't that depend on what is actually meant by "fully" and "possibly"?

If "fully" means 100% are not going to get Covid-19, and "possibly" means 50%, then a simplistic arithmetic view suggests the number dying would be similar whichever was chosen.

But if they mean 90% and 70%, that would change the predictions of their effect. As would changes to the severity of the Covid-19 infection due to a single dose. And, one of the big unknowns, the impact on Long Covid.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

My preference would be to go with the Science , and innoculate people as per the designated schedule. It would be better having 20% fully safe than 40% possibly safe. Now if it means that a new double dose cycle given in say June and July , making three doses in total , and the production capacity has upgraded by then, the calculation changes.
But I am concerned that the 40% will engage in even more risky behaviour , and get both themselves and the 60% who have not been innoculated ill.

Good points well made.

I can absolutely see why those at the forefront of medicine want to extend the dosage gap. It’s certainly not ideal, but I tend to agree with their thinking and I believe them when they say their goal is to maximise the number of lives saved.

 

[Danidl]

Doesn't that depend on what is actually meant by "fully" and "possibly"?

If "fully" means 100% are not going to get Covid-19, and "possibly" means 50%, then a simplistic arithmetic view suggests the number dying would be similar whichever was chosen.

But if they mean 90% and 70%, that would change the predictions of their effect. As would changes to the severity of the Covid-19 infection due to a single dose. And, one of the big unknowns, the impact on Long Covid.

Yes.. a difficult calculation. Especially if the crowd dynamics are included. If the front line essential working staff ,are protected, as full as possible, it has knock-on effects for the functioning of society, whereas if they are only partially protected, the consequences are much worse.
While I want to be vaccinated as soon as feasible, I can still do without it and stay safe ,by continuing to do what I have done since March. I would prefer that the limited dosages available would go to where they do more impact.

 

[oyster]

Johnson keeps saying he is responsible - with little to no evidence that he is acting as if that were the case. Then we see something which is more clearly directly under his control:

DVLA managers 'failed to understand severity' of deadly Covid outbreak
Health board briefing details multiple safety failures as MP blasts Swansea agency for putting people at risk
The government agency responsible for the country’s largest workplace outbreak initially failed to grasp the seriousness of the situation as the virus spread through its offices, with public health officials identifying a litany of inadequacies and failings.

A damning briefing by Swansea Bay University Health Board, compiled last week and seen by the Observer, shows officials were forced to serve a formal health protection notice requiring the DLVA to cooperate with the incident-control team as infections started to rise in the agency’s Swansea offices in October. It also emerged last week that one DVLA worker, who tested positive for Covid, had died.

The briefing, written by the board’s executive director of public health, Keith Reid, notes: “there was reported initial difficulty in engaging with DVLA management and in getting senior management to understand the seriousness of the situation.”

Carolyn Harris, the MP for Swansea East, whose constituency includes the agency’s offices in the city, said the briefing showed the crisis, which the Observer revealed has seen more than 500 staff test positive since September, had been mishandled by the DVLA. “They didn’t invite Public Health Wales and the council in. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming,” she said. “They have overseen a diabolical and outrageous situation, which has put people in danger.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/31/dvla-managers-failed-to-understand-severity-of-deadly-covid-outbreak

 

[flecc]

The UK’s senior independent medical experts and the UK’s best minds on matters relating to vaccination have said that the extended interval will save the most lives.

Not so. The governments scientific lackeys who do as they are told by their paymaster have said that. The manufacturers of the best vaccines on safety grounds have disagreed and refuse to support that. I also disagree personally on very sound statistical grounds which the lackeys are conveniently ignoring to conform with the government's wishes.
.

 

[Woosh]

Yes.. a difficult calculation. Especially if the crowd dynamics are included. If the front line essential working staff ,are protected, as full as possible, it has knock-on effects for the functioning of society, whereas if they are only partially protected, the consequences are much worse.
While I want to be vaccinated as soon as feasible, I can still do without it and stay safe ,by continuing to do what I have done since March. I would prefer that the limited dosages available would go to where they do more impact.

a great deal depends on whether vaccinated staff testing positive still have to isolate or not.
It seems on current arrangement that they do.
Therefore the economic disruption will only pause in the summer and picks up again when cold weather returns.

 

[oldgroaner]

The UK’s senior independent medical experts and the UK’s best minds on matters relating to vaccination have said that the extended interval will save the most lives.

What do you hope to achieve by undermining a strategy developed for the purpose of keeping more people alive?

What’s the goal you hope to score by posting garbage which contradicts the opinion of people infinitely more qualified on the subject than you? People who just want to keep other people alive. Where are you going with this?

I’m not angry, I feel sorry for you. You are behaving like a completely deluded **** and someone has done that to you. Stop for your own sake and that of others.

Do try not to be a complete fool, it's clear you are not interested in anything other than wanting to celebrate the biggest failure of government in the History of this country.
Your tedious nonsense is becoming boring.
You really have far too much faith in people whose judgement when making a decision without supporting evidence can be no better than your own
It all comes down to whether you think feeling lucky is a better approach than one based on proven science.
What you should be asking of these so wonderful forward thinking experts you admire, is why haven't we got enough vaccine available to do the job properly?

 

[Zlatan]

I think we should sack Jonathon Van Tam, Chris Witty and Patrick Valance then appoint Flecc, OG and Danidl.. Job done.
These three know way more than those government lackeys.
Its pointless making any points on here. Complete waste of time. If at every juncture folk just dismiss folk making one side of argument as lackeys what is the point of discussing anything.
I, ve no doubt all the lackeys would have loved to be in position to stick to guidelines. Unfortunately, as in a lot of things in life, things are not ideal and decisions must be made. That group of people have worked at trying to save our lives, for which they get called lackeys. It's actually disgusting.
And BTW the two folk doing most shouting have still accepted the jabs from the government lackeys.
Pair of you are perfectly willing to accept all the benefits, neither of you have actually suffered yet because of covid and you both take the jab. Then afterwards say its all done wrongly. Hypocrites.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Do try not to be a complete fool, it's clear you are not interested in anything other than wanting to celebrate the biggest failure of government in the History of this country.
Your tedious nonsense is becoming boring.
You really have far too much faith in people whose judgement when making a decision without supporting evidence can be no better than your own
It all comes down to whether you think feeling lucky is a better approach than one based on proven science.
What you should be asking of these so wonderful forward thinking experts you admire, is why haven't we got enough vaccine available to do the job properly?

You’ve got some serious **** going on man.

“Why haven’t we enough vaccine?” There’s a global shortage. Every country is struggling at this time, but the U.K. isn’t struggling quite as much as many other countries. We are doing ok in these early days.

This basically comes down to a question of, do we believe Professor Jonathan Van Tam, Professor Chris Whitty and a host of other non-political leading medical experts on this medical matter, or do we buy into the ramblings of a retired lavatory designer from Hull?

I’ll park that question there. If people can’t decide, then they are beyond help.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

I think we should sack Jonathon Van Tam, Chris Witty and Patrick Valance then appoint Flecc, OG and Danidl.. Job done.
These three know way more than those government lackeys.
Its pointless making any points on here. Complete waste of time. If at every juncture folk just dismiss folk making one side of argument as lackeys what is the point of discussing anything.
I, ve no doubt all the lackeys would have loved to be in position to stick to guidelines. Unfortunately, as in a lot of things in life, things are not ideal and decisions must be made. That group of people have worked at trying to save our lives, for which they get called lackeys. It's actually disgusting.
And BTW the two folk doing most shouting have still accepted the jabs from the government lackeys.
Pair of you are perfectly willing to accept all the benefits, neither of you have actually suffered yet because of covid and you both take the jab. Then afterwards say its all done wrongly. Hypocrites.

It’s breathtaking.

OG was moaning that we haven’t sufficient vaccine two posts ago. Go back earlier in the day and he was criticising the government for ordering too early and potentially having an over supply.

The man is a ******* lunatic. It’s like trying to detox a Heroin addict, only his fix is bashing anything and everything the U.K. does.

 

[Zlatan]

It’s breathtaking.

OG was moaning that we haven’t sufficient vaccine two posts ago. Go back earlier in the day and he was criticising the government for ordering too early and potentially having an over supply.

The man is a ******* lunatic. It’s like trying to detox a Heroin addict, only his fix is bashing anything and everything the U.K. does.

I sometimes wonder if I, m arguing with a Russian bot trying to undermine countries efforts.
Amazing thing they don't see it as at all damaging. If one person chooses not to have vaccine because of their ramblings and then develops covid???
That's the issue I find offensive. They have had vaccines but could easily put others of doing so. If they truly believed all they said they would (should) decline the help.
It must be a frightening world for them. They, ve just let three government know nothing lackeys inject some unknown substance into their arms.. How weird is that. Hypocritical masochists.

Off topic but true story summing up Hull.
Years and years ago I had to change college midway through a course. Moved to Hull technical college. At lunch I was approached by a bloke who asked if I could fight. I enquired why. "we are having a brawl this afternoon with idiots from docks"
Now not unusual I suppose in 70s for students... But this was from a Mech eng lecturer. I transferred back to Sheffield.

 

[Danidl]

I think we should sack Jonathon Van Tam, Chris Witty and Patrick Valance then appoint Flecc, OG and Danidl.. Job done.
These three know way more than those government lackeys.
Its pointless making any points on here. Complete waste of time. If at every juncture folk just dismiss folk making one side of argument as lackeys what is the point of discussing anything.
I, ve no doubt all the lackeys would have loved to be in position to stick to guidelines. Unfortunately, as in a lot of things in life, things are not ideal and decisions must be made. That group of people have worked at trying to save our lives, for which they get called lackeys. It's actually disgusting.
And BTW the two folk doing most shouting have still accepted the jabs from the government lackeys.
Pair of you are perfectly willing to accept all the benefits, neither of you have actually suffered yet because of covid and you both take the jab. Then afterwards say its all done wrongly. Hypocrites.

Well the difference is I know what I don't know.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think we should sack Jonathon Van Tam, Chris Witty and Patrick Valance then appoint Flecc, OG and Danidl.. Job done.
These three know way more than those government lackeys.
Its pointless making any points on here. Complete waste of time. If at every juncture folk just dismiss folk making one side of argument as lackeys what is the point of discussing anything.
I, ve no doubt all the lackeys would have loved to be in position to stick to guidelines. Unfortunately, as in a lot of things in life, things are not ideal and decisions must be made. That group of people have worked at trying to save our lives, for which they get called lackeys. It's actually disgusting.
And BTW the two folk doing most shouting have still accepted the jabs from the government lackeys.
Pair of you are perfectly willing to accept all the benefits, neither of you have actually suffered yet because of covid and you both take the jab. Then afterwards say its all done wrongly. Hypocrites.

You really are unable to be objective aren't you? each post is the same garbage as the last, then ends accusing me of being a hypocrite, because of your utterly wrong antagonism towards me personally.
Sorry but my judgement of you is not hypocritical.
Your attitude is juvenile

 

[Jesus H Christ]

You really are unable to be objective aren't you? each post is the same garbage as the last, then ends accusing me of being a hypocrite, because of your utterly wrong antagonism towards me personally.
Sorry but my judgement of you is not hypocritical.
Your attitude is juvenile

Zlatan is right though. He’s spot on matey.