Brexit, for once some facts.

[Jesus H Christ]

I’m due to be on Jury Service next month. I am extremely anxious about being inside a room for an extended period of time with people I know nothing about. I have not been able to find anything out regarding the Covid safety measures they have in place. Not even if I’ll be able to wear a mask. I have no confidence whatsoever that my safety will be adequately catered for. It can not possibly be a safe environment, which pisses me off to a great extent considering the sacrifices I’ve made to keep my family safe over the last year.

My wife has mild AF, which I would think could cause complications if I brought Covid home and passed it on to her. I’ve checked the NHS site and AF is an unknown, they don’t seem to have enough data to say if it’s an enhanced Covid risk factor. To be honest, I don’t want to roll the dice and find out.

If these settings are supposedly safe enough for me to risk my health and my family’s, why aren’t MPs sitting in the HoC?

 

[Zlatan]

That’s my understanding of what has been said from day 1. That is 90+% don’t get seriously ill after the first vaccination. That figure has been picked up, taken to mean 90+% protection, and run with.

It’s not 90% protection, it never was 90%, it’s always been 40 - 50 % protection after the first dose. It is however 90+% don’t get seriously ill, which is completely different to protection.

Agreed Jesus. There is that much BS and misinformation nobody knows what to think.
I went from thinking delay was OK, to worst idea imaginable and now back to somewhere in between the 2.
Hope Witty is right, he was sticking to his guns other day..
If you think about fact 80% are reasonably OK with disease if vaccine only lifts that to 90% then even that's better than nothing.
Interestingly AZ were saying nobodody has died once 3 weeks had elapsed after 1st jab.. Guardian have done a great job of muddying the water..

 

[Zlatan]

I’m due to be on Jury Service next month. I am extremely anxious about being inside a room for an extended period of time with people I know nothing about. I have not been able to find anything out regarding the Covid safety measures they have in place. Not even if I’ll be able to wear a mask. I have no confidence whatsoever that my safety will be adequately catered for. It can not possibly be a safe environment, which pisses me off to a great extent considering the sacrifices I’ve made to keep my family safe over the last year.

My wife has mild AF, which I would think could cause complications if I brought Covid home and passed it on to her. I’ve checked the NHS site and AF is an unknown, they don’t seem to have enough data to say if it’s an enhanced Covid risk factor. To be honest, I don’t want to roll the dice and find out.

If these settings are supposedly safe enough for me to risk my health and my family’s, why aren’t MPs sitting in the HoC?

I have permanent AF, I contacted consultant he said same. "we don't know" but told me to be careful but you don't have to shield. Brilliant I thought. WTF. Surgery says it does not alter my risk group..??? But same "be careful".. So I asked them "should I shield"
No... I, ll be careful then.???

Take your black cap Jesus.

 

[oyster]

Now even the weather is conspiring...

Four vaccination centres have been closed with snow causing some travel disruption in Wales.
Appointments at the Bridgend, Rhondda, Abercynon and Merthyr Tydfil centres for Sunday will be rescheduled for safety reasons, the Cwm Taf Morgannwg health board said.

Yes - we have snow here. Quite a lot of frost/ice and a little snow. Enough for me to choose not to drive anywhere (and we don't need to). Right here we get very little or no snow most years - even when we can see white tops to the Preselis a few miles away.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Take your black cap Jesus.

I need to give the whole thing serious thought.

 

[Woosh]

My friend has just contacted me to say his son has tested positive for Coronavirus for a second time. He had it in October, now he’s got it again. The lad is in his mid 20s and wasn’t too bad first time around. He’s doing ok this time, so far.

That’s two people I know personally who have had Coronavirus twice. The other was a lady in her early fifties, a super fit iron man triathlete. She first had it in April and still can’t walk far before she’s knackered and has some heart damage as a result (Long Covid). She caught it for a second time during October, but it was quite mild that time.

that is a bit worrying. Aren't they supposed to acquire immunity? First time covid = first jab.

 

[flecc]

I’m due to be on Jury Service next month. I am extremely anxious about being inside a room for an extended period of time with people I know nothing about. I have not been able to find anything out regarding the Covid safety measures they have in place. Not even if I’ll be able to wear a mask.

I do know some earlier trials used very widely spaced jurors. This was done by putting a large area of the public gallery out of normal use and deploying that instead of the jury box.

There's also been some experimenting with juries all separated but linked by CCTV, but I've no idea how that worked out.
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[oldgroaner]

Chris Whitty's fury at Guardian's 'total nonsense' Pfizer claim

The newspaper quoted 'Israeli experts' as saying only a third of people who have received one jab were protected. No 10's advisers say the real figure is 89 per cent, starting 14 days after the first jab.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Rather different from Guardian's reporting..

That comes as no surprise does it?
Money talks

 

[flecc]

She - - - - - - still can’t walk far before she’s knackered and has some heart damage as a result.

She caught it for a second time during October, but it was quite mild that time.

That first line fits me perfectly but my accumulating heart damage was being put down to the tachycardia attacks then. But if it's due to Covid it means that arrived here by early October 2019 and was the severe cold and later extreme tiredness I suffered then. The only times I've felt better since then was during the hotter period of late spring and the summer of 2020.

As for that second line, who knows. I've twice had quite bad colds with a very runny nose and headaches during 2020, unusual for me since I hardly ever get a cold.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

I don't agree. Guardian reported and highlighted the 33% for a reason. Their report instigated a lot of worry about the vaccine and was a planned route to undermine the vaccine strategy. Guardian is a disgrace.

Here we go again, don't you ever stop?
Just who are you accusing of planning to undermine the vaccine strategy?
And would that be the strategy that we adopted against the specific advice of pfizer?
Try this for size
The Guardian is trying to promote the idea of doing the vaccinations in the correct approved manner rather than gambling on peoples lives.
The people undermining the vaccination strategy are our politicians with their 12 weeks ( could be more) strategy
The government is a disgrace not the Guardian

 

[oldgroaner]

This is evidence of how trustworthy this government is
Firm founded by Tory donor providing substandard laptops for vulnerable children

"A school in Bradford which received 90 Geobook 1E laptops via the Computacenter booking system this week found they had been handed devices infected with a malware virus. A letter from the school’s deputy head states: “Upon unboxing and preparing them it was discovered that a number of the laptops are infected with a self-propagating network worm (Gamarue.I). The network worm looks like it contacts Russian servers when active.”

 

[Nev]

My friend has just contacted me to say his son has tested positive for Coronavirus for a second time.

I wasn't paying much attention so I can't say which player or which football team it was, but a commentator said yesterday that one of the players had been diagnosed with covid twice. I don't know how far apart each diagnosis was but I think as time goes by we are likely to hear about a lot more people who have caught it twice.

 

[RossG]

I need to give the whole thing serious thought.

Lots of ways to get out of this Barry, you could tell the courts you've been in contact with some one who has covid so are self-isolating. You could also say your wife has a health problem so dare not take the risk involved in coming into close contact with others for a lengthy period, another one would be that you live or work with vulnerable people and are very worried about the risk.
I've got out of it twice by giving them a sob story and I got a neighbour off with serving by writing the court a letter and informing them she couldn't speak English...mind you she can't but they took it as gospel anyway.
They don't question it anyway, they just say sod you then and that's it. Don't concern yourself about it, you won't be going and that's it sorted I'm telling you.

 

[Nev]

Agreed Jesus. There is that much BS and misinformation nobody knows what to think.

I agree, at first I thought having a 3 month gap between each injection was the way forward, as time has gone by I have changed my mind several times on this, and at the moment I just don't know.

On the Sophie Ridge programme this morning someone was saying that there was some evidence from the Moderna trial that showed that after just one injection, two months later the vaccine was proving to be 90% effective (what ever that means). This trial had only been carried out on 1000 people though, however the chap said that the Moderna vaccine used the same technology and the Pfizer vaccine and so he thought the results should be similar.

In all fairness I think things are happening so quickly and data is coming out in fits and starts its very difficult for the experts let alone the lay person to know what is the correct way forward when it comes to the time gap between injections.

If there were plentiful supply of vaccine then following the manufacturers recommendations would be the answer but with a world wide shortage then I am just glad I don't have to make these kinds of decisions.

 

[oldgroaner]

You already know my view

This man simply needs to be replaced with someone more trustworthy and intelligent before he kills thousands more

 

[oldgroaner]

A dangerous employer
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/23/minister-faces-fury-over-mass-covid-outbreak-at-top-government-agency

Minister under fire for ‘shameful’ virus spread as staff told to work on with more than 500 cases at agency in Swansea

 

[oldgroaner]

I agree, at first I thought having a 3 month gap between each injection was the way forward, as time has gone by I have changed my mind several times on this, and at the moment I just don't know.

On the Sophie Ridge programme this morning someone was saying that there was some evidence from the Moderna trial that showed that after just one injection, two months later the vaccine was proving to be 90% effective (what ever that means). This trial had only been carried out on 1000 people though, however the chap said that the Moderna vaccine used the same technology and the Pfizer vaccine and so he thought the results should be similar.

In all fairness I think things are happening so quickly and data is coming out in fits and starts its very difficult for the experts let alone the lay person to know what is the correct way forward when it comes to the time gap between injections.

If there were plentiful supply of vaccine then following the manufacturers recommendations would be the answer but with a world wide shortage then I am just glad I don't have to make these kinds of decisions.

When you take on the job of Prime Minister your duty is to make those decisions in timely, efficient and effective manner.
It requires guts, honesty, determination and wisdom.

Maybe we would be better of using a ouija board and dispense with the post

 

[oldgroaner]

Nothing to see here move along

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1353034716006535168

 

[Zlatan]

dispense with the post

Great idea..

 

[oyster]

A dangerous employer
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/23/minister-faces-fury-over-mass-covid-outbreak-at-top-government-agency

Minister under fire for ‘shameful’ virus spread as staff told to work on with more than 500 cases at agency in Swansea

09:10 today!

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