Brexit, for once some facts.

[vfr400]

Don't say I didn't warn you. The net is tightening more every day.

Everybody cheered when it was Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins. They cheered even more when it was Trump. I wonder how long it'll be before you're protesting rather than cheering:

Facebook's Ban on Far-Left Pages Is an Extension of Trump Propaganda

Facebook announced a sweep to ban some user groups — and it equated violent white supremacist militias with antiracist organizing.

theintercept.com

 

[Woosh]

Don't say I didn't warn you. the net is tightening more every day:

I welcome that move. Anarchy leads to the disrespect of legal systems.
We defend our freedoms as we must but at the same time should guard against those who seek to create anarchy.

 

[Zlatan]

I, d thought AZ was being used in bulk of centres now anyway??? Didn't think they had any more problems with that than flu vaccine.
(AZ have been supplying 2 million a week??? Haven't they??) Supposed to be??
I think he had option of getting vaccination at his own surgery but that would mean waiting???

 

[Zlatan]

Don't say I didn't warn you. The net is tightening more every day.

Everybody cheered when it was Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins. They cheered even more when it was Trump. I wonder how long it'll be before you're protesting rather than cheering:

Facebook's Ban on Far-Left Pages Is an Extension of Trump Propaganda

Facebook announced a sweep to ban some user groups — and it equated violent white supremacist militias with antiracist organizing.

theintercept.com

Sounds like a great idea to me.. Disinformation is the root of too many problems, about time they clamped down. Doubt they will be banning pedelec forum, my windsurf group or F1 blog. Mind you there are some we, d be better off without..

 

[oyster]

I welcome that move. Anarchy leads to the disrespect of legal systems.
We defend our freedoms as we must but at the same time should guard against those who seek to create anarchy.

It is not as if these people - right, left, anarchist, whatever else - don't have the ability to create websites, put up their arguments, etc.

It is the force-feeding effect of such sites as facebook that is being stopped.

Quite honestly, people who have lost in criminal and/or civil courts are not exactly at the top of my list to defend in terms of freedom of speech.

Should we expect the Daily Mail to continue promoting Mosley and Hitler and Mussolini?

In many ways, I am more concerned by those who seem to be welcomed by much of the media and promoted out of all proportion to their merit. Especially when they then move into politics.

 

[Danidl]

Don't say I didn't warn you. The net is tightening more every day.

Everybody cheered when it was Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins. They cheered even more when it was Trump. I wonder how long it'll be before you're protesting rather than cheering:

Facebook's Ban on Far-Left Pages Is an Extension of Trump Propaganda

Facebook announced a sweep to ban some user groups — and it equated violent white supremacist militias with antiracist organizing.

theintercept.com

"And don't it always seem you know , you dont know what you've got" ..till its gone
Joni Mitchell.
The only voice of disquiet about banning Trump from Twitter was from that old leftie A. Merkel

 

[oyster]

Don't say I didn't warn you. The net is tightening more every day.

Everybody cheered when it was Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins. They cheered even more when it was Trump. I wonder how long it'll be before you're protesting rather than cheering:

Facebook's Ban on Far-Left Pages Is an Extension of Trump Propaganda

Facebook announced a sweep to ban some user groups — and it equated violent white supremacist militias with antiracist organizing.

theintercept.com

The best move facebook could make is to ban them. And the rest of humanity.

Z on his own talking to himself would be much appreciated.

 

[oyster]

Didn't break any rules, might technically be true, but absolutely trashed the spirit(s).

Welsh Tory leader quits after drinking during Covid alcohol ban
Paul Davies says he did not break any rules in Senedd, as chief whip Darren Millar also quits

 

[Danidl]

Probably not here, since there was no group at the time.

Our Croydon University Hospital was the first of the initial 50 national centres to receive the ultra low temperature freezers and the first supplies of the Pfizer vaccine two months ago.

The health trust had simultaneously made the borough plans on the knowledge at that time, announcing them as we saw that first delivery arrive. With hindsight they could of course change what they are doing now, but why when the centres are quite well set up with separated passage thoughout the vaccination process and the change would be very disruptive and burden already heavily overloaded GPs.

Our London GP's surgeries often don't have enough space for distancing larger numbers. For example for Covid safety the autumn 'flu jabs were done outdoors from a table in front of my surgery by the pavement at the edge of the busy main road.
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My point is that local primary schools meet every one of the requirements . Big rooms , small numbers ,good ventilation , movable furniture and very local. You don't need a GP to inject an intramuscular injection. .. the person can easily do it themselves. So District Nurses, St Johns Ambulance , even the RSPCA all very competent. It would be desirable to have a GP or a paramedic or an ambulance around. Thats all.
Most years we go down to the local pharmacy and buy the flu vaccine and bring them home. Leave them in the fridge a few day and then usually use a son.. who did nursing to actually inject. He is very good at it. But if he not available I do myself. This year, because of very limited availability, we had to go to the rigmarole of actually going to a pharmacy and getting it done.

 

[flecc]

My point is that local primary schools meet every one of the requirements . Big rooms , small numbers ,good ventilation , movable furniture and very local.

Yes, I'd noted that, but as said the trust planned on the basis of the knowledge at the time.

And then of course there's the logistics, almost daily deliveries to our 92 primary schools in this Croydon trust area, instead of a very few better set up health centres.

And for England probably the final killer is that our primary schools still have up the half the usual number of kids in, being cared for and fed for their essential worker parents, so far from ideal as vaccine centres.
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[Zlatan]

The best move facebook could make is to ban them. And the rest of humanity.

Z on his own talking to himself would be much appreciated.

He already does that..

 

[Danidl]

Yes, I'd noted that, but as said the trust planned on the basis of the knowledge at the time.

And then of course there's the logistics, almost daily deliveries to our 92 primary schools in this Croydon trust area, instead of a very few better set up health centres.

And for England probably the final killer is that our primary schools still have up the half the usual number of kids in, being cared for and fed for their essential worker parents, so far from ideal as vaccine centres.
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92 deliveries is trivial. Even better , it means that the journey times for the elderly people getting the vaccine is much shorter. What you see as a negative is actually very positive. A lower density of vulnerable people getting vaccinated all in parallel.
If your schools have 50% attendance, then .
1. The definition of essential worker is so fluid as to defy logic
2. It is no wonder your rates are not coming down

 

[oldgroaner]

Huge investment in vaccine development is an international effort. It shouldn’t rely on one country.

You can introduce all the mask legislation you like, a significant number of people in this country will refuse to wear them. They claim it’s against their rights, that the gossamer thin tissue suffocates them, that Covid does not exist or they just don’t care about others. We seem to have more of these types than other countries and I guess that is partly the reason why our coffin mountain is bigger than other countries.

I’ve stopped worrying about it and just look after myself and my family now. If these idiots want to kill themselves I hope they hurry up and do it. I gave up on government guidelines long ago. I make my own rules and incrementally, the government rules fall into line with mine, masks, indoor spaces being dangerous, following in a person’s slipstream, it’s not difficult to work out.

But it isn't enough is it?
Not by a million miles

 

[oldgroaner]

Don't say I didn't warn you. The net is tightening more every day.

Everybody cheered when it was Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins. They cheered even more when it was Trump. I wonder how long it'll be before you're protesting rather than cheering:

Facebook's Ban on Far-Left Pages Is an Extension of Trump Propaganda

Facebook announced a sweep to ban some user groups — and it equated violent white supremacist militias with antiracist organizing.

theintercept.com

More effective to ban Facebook altogether

 

[Zlatan]

92 deliveries is trivial. Even better , it means that the journey times for the elderly people getting the vaccine is much shorter. What you see as a negative is actually very positive. A lower density of vulnerable people getting vaccinated all in parallel.
If your schools have 50% attendance, then .
1. The definition of essential worker is so fluid as to defy logic
2. It is no wonder your rates are not coming down

Our local school is running at 65% attendance.. If parents say the must work... Kids go to school. Sort of proves teachers are more child minders than educators..
But to be fair we are doing OK as a town. We only have 8 (from 14, 2 weeks ago) in ICU and 88 (down from 114) on wards.. (wonder how many in funeral homes tho?) According to our weekly update our hospital was at its peak end of October.. (45% cases are new strain now)???

 

[flecc]

If your schools have 50% attendance, then .
1. The definition of essential worker is so fluid as to defy logic

Not so. Everyone whose job cannot be done remotely has to be treated as an essential worker for this child welfare purpose, especially when so many are single parents and work is so often far away in our very large city. That's the logic.

And I said up to half, some areas have a high density of essential workers, some very few but still there's some kids in all their schools.

So primary schools nice idea with definite advantages, but not practical in these circumstances and making administration of who has been inoculated far more prone to final errors.
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[Jesus H Christ]

But it isn't enough is it?
Not by a million miles

What’s not enough?

 

[Nev]

I would go for multiple drive through centres on car parks where you get the shot whilst you remain in the car or if that’s no possible, pull under an open sided gazebo to step out. You could then drive a holding area to wait and see if you have a fit, explode whatever FaceTube says might happen after vaccination.

My Father in law has his vaccination yesterday, he is in his early 80s. He drove into the doctors surgery car park, there was someone there to meet him. He was then asked if he wanted to go into the surgery to have the injection or he could have it in the car.

He chose to have it in his car, a nurse came out gave him the injection and said we will keep an eye on you for 15 mins just to make sure everything is ok. After 15 mins they gave him the all clear and he drove home, he was very impressed with the whole thing.

 

[oyster]

Some people really do find it difficult to get their heads around the rules.

A light aircraft pilot who landed at a closed RAF base during lockdown "to see the beach" has been fined.
Richard Charles Priestley Wood, 60, of Crescent Place, London, landed without permission at RAF Valley, on Anglesey, on 25 May.
When stopped by fire crews he was dressed in shorts and said: "It's OK I had Covid two months ago."
He was fined £3,400 after pleading guilty to flying without obtaining information to enable a safe flight.
Caernarfon Magistrates' Court heard how Wood had landed at the base on the bank holiday when there was no air traffic control on duty, and Wales was in lockdown due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Wood had flown from an airfield near Woking, Surrey, and stopped at the airfield after plans to visit his mother in Yorkshire fell through.

Prosecutor Elizabeth Dudley Jones, for the Civil Aviation Authority, said when his aircraft was spotted over RAF Valley, fire crews were deployed after concerns the pilot was in trouble.

A Defence Aviation Safety Occurrence report said staff thought Wood was making an emergency landing.
But when he landed, Wood was dressed in shorts and told a fireman he "wanted to see the beach", and had radioed the control tower a number of times but had not had a reply.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55739524

 

[flecc]

A light aircraft pilot who landed at a closed RAF base during lockdown "to see the beach" has been fined.
He was fined £3,400 after pleading guilty to flying without obtaining information to enable a safe flight.

Seems a bit unfair after he did the best bit of social distancing in the whole country.
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