Brexit, for once some facts.
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I’m going to miss The Donald’s unique brand of crazy.
Build the wall. Lock her up, lock her up. Sleepy Joe.
Things are going to be pretty dull from now on.
Build the wall. Lock her up, lock her up. Sleepy Joe.
Things are going to be pretty dull from now on.
Sage gives advice, BJ waits for the Telegraph to suggest what to do then send Whitty & Van-Tam on TV to explain why.
They are not hired to contradict their boss.
That's all there is to it.
Sweden population density is 24. 5 people per square km.
England's population density is 275 people per square km.
Swedes historically follow government advice, don't have massive travel hubs like Heathrow etc. Don't have mass congregations for sport (every major town in UK has at least one 50k seater ground)
Swedes tend not to meet in massive groups (ie like drinkers in Newcastle and every where else)
And probably more importantly a great deal of Swede's live alone.(by memory 30% but could be wrong)
You don't have to think about it much to realise Sweden in any pandemic will fare batter than Belgium... However, compared to their neighbours with pretty similar socio economic groups, geographical situation (Denmark and Norway) they have done far far worse.
Suspect had we taken Swede's approach we, d be hitting 200k deaths.
As I, ve said all along we need to put politics, hate and argument away and search for the real objective reasons various countries have apparently coped better.
Why is San Marino the worst?
I wasn't making a link to Mexico and Who. Just mentioned in same post.
My point was Who knew about the potential of this last January. Why wasn't international travel stopped immediately. What did Who do in early stages. Blamed countries. There needs to be a world wide authority capable of stopping whatever it sees fit immediately it thinks it would be beneficial. As far as I can see Who are toothless and simply offer advice after the horse has bolted. They should have been bolting the stable door and didn't.
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In general, barristers cannot act for clients they KNOW are guilty. Though it is pretty obvious that they might suspect their clients are guilty (indeed, someone thinks they are guilty, or can make some sort of a case that they are guilty, or there wouldn't have been charges and a trial).
But there is no cab-rank principle for Sage members/independent advisers.
Covid-19: Comparing Sweden’s response with the UK’s is “misleading,” experts argue
Sweden’s response to covid-19 should not be used to argue the case for a population immunity strategy in the UK, the Independent Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Independent SAGE) has argued. In a briefing paper published on 25 September, Independent SAGE noted that Sweden is often...
www.bmj.com
Their final comnent
"The UK is not Sweden, what worked there might not work at all here".
Ps
Point about Mexico was if their deaths are of order 4 times greater than reported its possible many other countries are. Do you really believe we, d be getting truth from China, Vietnam, Thailand, Argentina??? Because I certainly don't. Doubt even Spanish are being truthful.
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1820 more deaths just announced. For what it is worth, a "record" high.
We are going to break 2000 at this rate. Terrible.
I wonder how bad it could have got leaving Christmas restrictions as they were.. 5 days of partying.. Not one...
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Last year you were all telling me that we should have done like South Korea, China, New Zealand, Germany et al. All very different in various ways to Britain and often to huge degrees.
Yet you say Sweden, which is far more similar to Britain than you think and often vastly more different than those countries, is so different that any comparison is invalid.
Once again, bunkum, proven by your own inconsistency just cited.
When the fundamantal reason why we've done so badly finally dawns on you, you might begin to understand better.
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Bunkum.
Last year you were all telling me that we should have done like South Korea, China, New Zealand, Germany et al. All very different in various ways to Britain and often to huge degrees.
Yet you say Sweden, which is far more similar to Britain than you think and often vastly more different than those countries, is so different that any comparison is invalid.
Once again, bunkum, proven by your own inconsistency just cited.
When the fundamantal reason why we've done so badly finally dawns on you, you might begin to understand better.
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You can't even recognise a political excuse intrinsic in the word "might".Think I, ll believe BMJ rather than Flecc.Covid-19: Comparing Sweden’s response with the UK’s is “misleading,” experts argue
Sweden’s response to covid-19 should not be used to argue the case for a population immunity strategy in the UK, the Independent Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Independent SAGE) has argued. In a briefing paper published on 25 September, Independent SAGE noted that Sweden is often...
Their final comnent
"The UK is not Sweden, what worked there might not work at all here".
It's their desperation, clutching at straws to try to maintain we did right.
We didn't and our outcome proves it. Sweden did right and their disease, financial and educational outcome proves it.
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That's rubbish Flecc. How on earth can anybody not think population density is going to affect a pandemic.??
Also Sweden enjoys a higher standard of living and unfortunately as we, ve all become only too aware the poor have suffered most.. Along with our Asian communities. (which represent 8% of our population and 1.8 % of Sweden's)
And, yes Sweden does have a massive immigrant population but the bulk of it from Finland.
I, ve no idea why you are holding Sweden up as a good example any way. Finland, Norway, and Denmark, all of similar socio economic and geopolitical make up have done far better.
You aren't being objective flecc and if nobody is in future we will drift into all this again.
Had Boris followed Sweden he, d be out now. Their chief epidemiologist came to see Boris before Christmas. Thank god he ignored him.
www.theguardian.com
I doubt Guardian will be putting any spin on it that could see Boris in a better light.
Sweden's strategy failed, they came through it OK for all reasons explained.
They have got through it inspite of their strategy, not because if it. Go on Worldometer and compare with neighbours.
Also Sweden enjoys a higher standard of living and unfortunately as we, ve all become only too aware the poor have suffered most.. Along with our Asian communities. (which represent 8% of our population and 1.8 % of Sweden's)
And, yes Sweden does have a massive immigrant population but the bulk of it from Finland.
I, ve no idea why you are holding Sweden up as a good example any way. Finland, Norway, and Denmark, all of similar socio economic and geopolitical make up have done far better.
You aren't being objective flecc and if nobody is in future we will drift into all this again.
Had Boris followed Sweden he, d be out now. Their chief epidemiologist came to see Boris before Christmas. Thank god he ignored him.
As Covid death toll soars ever higher, Sweden wonders who to blame
With the death toll expected to rise over Christmas, the country asks who will take responsibility for the flawed approach
www.theguardian.com
I doubt Guardian will be putting any spin on it that could see Boris in a better light.
Sweden's strategy failed, they came through it OK for all reasons explained.
They have got through it inspite of their strategy, not because if it. Go on Worldometer and compare with neighbours.
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So now I'm worse than a hypocrite? and mad too?
Try reading my post the reference to voting for Boris wasn't even aimed at you
I am simply continuing to tell the truth and if you don't like it, you know what to do about it
Now then about this
"How many times OG, just put your money where your mouth is and do something. Join Volt UK or something. Stand as an MP, but FFS stop repeating your same crap on here."
Since I have a job 24/7/365 as carer for a wife with terminal dementia, do you imagine I am going to stop doing that because you suggest I do?
Grow up, some of us have had to.
Take your advice and shove it.
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Re, Sweden - not so
Sweden’s Social Democrats succumb to coronavirus critics
Stefan Löfven’s party loses top poll spot and gets a hiding in parliament.
www.politico.eu
You are calling into question the integrity of two professors of medicine. I don’t think you have sufficient reason to call them out as liars and hired mouthpieces.
Van-Tam and Whitty went against Johnson over the Cummings debacle, so that gives me reason to cut them some slack and listen to what they say.
Just been reading transcript. Utterly unbelievable.
They always are pretty dreadful. But I'd rather the singer was gaga than the president.