Brexit, for once some facts.

[Jesus H Christ]

I am quoting from the REG 174 information for UK residents leaflet provided by Pfizer at the time of my first jab

"You will receive 2 injections given 21 days apart
If you receive one dose of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT 162b2, you should receive a second dose of the same vaccine 21 days later to complete the vaccination series.
Protection against COVID-19 disease may not be effective until at least 7 days after the second dose."

And the government sees fit to deviate from that?
Because of what exactly?

Because during the trials nobody died after receiving one dose. Not a single person, fact.

Giving one dose to each person means that the rate of protecting people from death is two times what it would have been had each person had been given two doses. Two times! It’s a very simple calculation.

Your second dose will be someone else’s first dose and that may save their life. What a charitable man you are! You should be very proud of yourself.

This is not another of your imaginary tinfoil hat facist takeover plots. It’s simply about trying to keep people alive. Chill out and relax now that you know you won’t die from this awful virus

And yes, we all know they’ve made a **** job so far and 1600+ people died yesterday, many directly attributed to Johnson and Co. But we are talking about vaccination, we must make it work and so far, they appear to be doing ok with the resources they have to hand.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

I think we need to make something clear. Nobody is saying that after one vaccine shot you are protected from catching Covid. You need the second vaccination for that.

After one shot, the strong indication is you won’t go into hospital or die. You can still get the virus though, but it won’t kill you.

Each second shot, is someone else’s first shot. The rate of injecting isn’t limitless.

So, people are being asked to be patient so that their second shot can be used to save someone else from the possibility of a Covid death.

Some people aren’t charitable and they want both now and **** everyone else, me me me. Entirely predictably, it’s those purporting to be more socialist in their outlook who are the worst offenders in this regard.

That about sums it all up and quite frankly, I’m not in the least bit surprised.

 

[oldgroaner]

Because during the trials nobody died after receiving one dose. Not a single person, fact.

Giving one dose to each person means that the rate of protecting people from death is two times what it would have been if each person had been given two doses. It’s a very simple calculation.

Your second dose will be someone else’s first dose and that may save their life. What a charitable man you are! You should be very proud of yourself.

This isn’t another of your imagined tinfoil hat facist takeover plots. It’s just about trying to keep people alive. Chill out and relax now that you know you won’t die from this awful virus

What a fool you are
Facts really don't bother you do they?
How do you think this news will affect people waiting for their first injection?
And for your information there is no proof that you still can't die of covid in between the injections if a new variant appears
Take off your fascist hat and face the truth.
Johnson and co are risking all of us yet again
It isn't about me, me, me
It's about us, us ,us
And you are too dim to see that, too keen to excuse Tory decisions made for expediency

 

[Jesus H Christ]

What a fool you are
Facts really don't bother you do they?
How do you think this news will affect people waiting for their first injection?
And for your information there is no proof that you still can't die of covid in between the injections if a new variant appears
Take off your fascist hat and face the truth.
Johnson and co are risking all of us yet again
It isn't about me, me, me
It's about us, us ,us
And you are too dim to see that, too keen to excuse Tory decisions made for expediency

I believe that you require a tinfoil hat constructed from a heavier gauge material. May I suggest 16 SWG? Those communist space rays are penetrating deep this morning.

Chill out, you are safe now, JVT says so. Trust him, he’s a doctor.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think we need to make something clear. Nobody is saying that after one vaccine shot you are protected from catching Covid.

After one shot, the strong indication is you won’t go into hospital or die. You can still get the virus though, but it won’t kill you.

Each second shot, is someone else’s first shot. The rate of injecting isn’t limitless.

So, people are being asked to be patient so that their second shot can be used to save someone else from the possibility of a Covid death.

Some people aren’t charitable and they want both now and **** everyone else, me me me.

That about sums it all up and quite frankly, I’m not in the least bit surprised.

I believe that you require a tinfoil hat constructed from a heavier gauge material. May I suggest 16 SWG? Those communist space rays are penetrating deep this morning.

Chill out, you are safe now, JVT says so. Trust him, he’s a doctor.

You are expressing a hope not a fact on whether the vaccine reduces the impact, it's too soon to tell
Trust a doctor? so was Harold Shipman, and same speciallity too

 

[Jesus H Christ]

You are expressing a hope not a fact on whether the vaccine reduces the impact, it's too soon to tell
Trust a doctor? so was Harold Shipman, and same speciallity too

If you think JVT is the ghost of Harold Shipman, you’d better make that hat 10 SWG.

 

[oldgroaner]

If you think JVT is the ghost of Harold Shipman, you’d better make that hat 10 SWG.

Will you lend me yours? oh hang on, it doesn't work, does it?

 

[oyster]

same speciallity too

JVY is an influenza specialist, I think. HS was a GP.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

JVY is an influenza specialist, I think. HS was a GP.

Yes, JVT is an influenza specialist and England’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer. I have faith in what he says.

Harold Shipman, OGs preferred source for medical information, was a serial killer.

 

[oyster]

Even India sees EU benefits!

Indian government slams Facebook over WhatsApp 'privacy' update, wants its own Europe-style opt-out switch
Nation's IT ministry wants what Brussels is having
https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/19/indian_facebook_whatsapp/

 

[Zlatan]

Suspect with drop in numbers infected and news from Israel NHS will be reverting back to recommended dosage regime with Pfizer vaccine..???
I suspect the rapid drop off was not expected , and thought vaccine would have to curtail numbers. Proved not to be case..
The evidence from Israel suggest efficy after a single dose is under 40% but again without mentioning criteria.
What we need to know is the %age hospitalised 3 (or is it 4,think its 3 on Pfizer) weeks plus after first dose and %age that died.
I, d thought any fully vaccinated person could still test positive so what on earth does 40% efficy actually mean with regards population vaccination and not trial groups. (which is what I, d asked before, but Woosh explained trial group efficy)
I, d guess when Patrick Valance says they are studying data they, ll bo looking for same answers.??

 

[oldgroaner]

Yes, JVT is an influenza specialist and England’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer. I have faith in what he says.

Harold Shipman, OGs preferred source for medical information, was a serial killer.

Right wing thinking clearly addles the Brain
I posted this
"Trust a doctor? so was Harold Shipman, and same speciallity too "
And after it went past your brain cell it comes out as this?
"Harold Shipman, OGs preferred source for medical information, was a serial killer."

Explain how you made such a mad connection?
YOU not I stated he was my preferred source of medical information, care to explain how you came to that conclusion?
Normal none fascists would have read that as meaning neither could be trusted simply because they were doctors.
Was I being too subtle for you?
I'll use simpler words next time
Here we go: Doctors can't be trusted when the Government pressures them.
There, was that simple enough or are you going to mangle that too?

 

[oldgroaner]

Here is the evidence that what some on here was correct has finally dawned on the people responsible for our situation

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1351824942996795399

And how many lives have been lost trusting these people?

 

[oldgroaner]

eventually even the dimmest will spot the Elephant in the room
COVID-19: UK to look 'very carefully' at vaccine dosing after concerns raised over level of protection
"
The UK will need to look "very carefully" at the protection provided by the first dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the government's chief scientific adviser has told Sky News, amid concerns its effectiveness is significantly lower than had been found in trials.

Sir Patrick Vallance said the government would "just need to keep measuring the numbers" as the vaccine is rolled out across the UK.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Right wing thinking clearly addles the Brain
I posted this
"Trust a doctor? so was Harold Shipman, and same speciallity too "
And after it went past your brain cell it comes out as this?
"Harold Shipman, OGs preferred source for medical information, was a serial killer."

Explain how you made such a mad connection?
YOU not I stated he was my preferred source of medical information, care to explain how you came to that conclusion?
Normal none fascists would have read that as meaning neither could be trusted simply because they were doctors.
Was I being too subtle for you?
I'll use simpler words next time
Here we go: Doctors can't be trusted when the Government pressures them.
There, was that simple enough or are you going to mangle that too?

Yes, that’s right OG, doctors are all part of the facist takeover plot. They had to stop JVT appearing on The Coronavirus Show in a Nazi uniform. He’s a student of Josef Mengele you know.

 

[oyster]

It all going to be just fine, folks. Priti says so.

LONDON (Reuters) - A coding problem led to the accidental deletion of up to 400,000 records from British police databases but specialists are working to recover the information from different systems, Home Secretary Priti Patel said on Wednesday.

“So first of all let me just clarify this - this is a coding issue,” Patel said, adding that she could not say how much had been retrieved so far. “We talk about a figure of 400,000 but the actual figure could actually be a lot less.”

Anyone convinced the figure couldn't be a lot higher? Though whether we ever find out...

 

[Woosh]

They had to stop JVT appearing on The Coronavirus Show in a Nazi uniform. He’s a student of Josef Mengele you know.

he does at times lend a hand to support the government's strategy.
But on the issue of extending from 3 weeks to 12 weeks, you are looking at about 10 million more people in tier 2 getting the first jab before March.
It's good if you are in tier 2, not so good if you are in tier 1.
While deaths are still mostly in tier 1, that strategy does not pay.
I think the government will have to reduce the delay from 12 weeks to 6 weeks soon.
In either case, schools will re-open in March and we'll get to go on holiday in June/July.

 

[oyster]

I think the government will have to reduce the delay from 3 weeks to 6 weeks soon.

For Pfizer/BioNTech, Oxford-AstraZeneca, or both?

 

[Danidl]

I think we need to make something clear. Nobody is saying that after one vaccine shot you are protected from catching Covid. You need the second vaccination for that.

After one shot, the strong indication is you won’t go into hospital or die. You can still get the virus though, but it won’t kill you.

Each second shot, is someone else’s first shot. The rate of injecting isn’t limitless.

So, people are being asked to be patient so that their second shot can be used to save someone else from the possibility of a Covid death.

Some people aren’t charitable and they want both now and **** everyone else, me me me. Entirely predictably, it’s those purporting to be more socialist in their outlook who are the worst offenders in this regard.

That about sums it all up and quite frankly, I’m not in the least bit surprised.

There is Science and there is Spin. There is engineering and marketing. There is fact and there is folly. Regrettably you are on one side of this argument, the rest of Scientific community on the other. For my part, I am happier to remained in the cocooned semilife for a bit longer, knowing that those who need it the most are getting the right treatment,rather than everyone getting something half assed .

 

[oyster]

There is Science and there is Spin. There is engineering and marketing. There is fact and there is folly. Regrettably you are on one side of this argument, the rest of Scientific community on the other. For my part, I am happier to remained in the cocooned semilife for a bit longer, knowing that those who need it the most are getting the right treatment,rather than everyone getting something half assed .

And there is the issue that optimum patterns of vaccination are not well understood.

We have seen "one for life" vaccinations. And "one plus booster in a few years". And "one a year". And "two with a bit of a gap".

Can't help wondering if something like an implantable slow release might be an interesting tack? By being very slow, it should (we would hope) result in few immediate side effects. Yet, rather than peak and fall as we are seeing now reported, possibly despite initiating slowly, it would keep on going, keeping our immune systems on their toes, building up immunity.

If something like a dissolving gel were a suitable substrate, a single implant would obviate the need for two vaccinations. Huge dose of optimism here, perhaps they would even work with less vaccine material?

(No - this is not a wholly novel idea. Has been widely discussed in the past.)