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Perhaps numbers are emphasised (exaggerated?) as a defence mechanism.??? Keeps us more indoors?
A few weeks ago I was driving to coast. Three motorbikes came tearing past and at next bend one ran into a deer. I pulled up to help, rider was trapped under bike, myself and his 2 mates lifted bike off him, phoned ambulance etc etc. Turns out all 3 worked at some hospital and one of chaps plainly new what he was doing. One a nurse, other 2 porters.
Whilst checking on bloke nurse said to chap in Road,
"don't f....ing die, they will put you down as Covid!"???
Very good, where did you find this?
 

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There is definitely much sense in checking more than just one source, but I generally find Wikipedia isn't too bad - misguided very occasionally, rather than actively misleading.

You shouldn't believe everything you read, as you've just said about Wikiepdia, so where do you go to validate websites such as Project Veritas?
In the spirit of irony, quoted from WIki:

In Greek mythology, Dolos or Dolus (Ancient Greek: Δόλος "Deception") is the spirit of trickery and guile. He is also a master at cunning deception, craftiness, and treachery.

Dolos became known for his skill when he attempted to make a fraudulent copy statue of Aletheia (Veritas), in order to trick people into thinking they were seeing the real statue.
 

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I think that evidence is increasing that vitamin D is helpful in reducing the impact of Covid. If you haven't seen it this is a good read.
Does vitamin D combat Covid? | Health & wellbeing | The Guardian
That (and previous similar article) were posted on the forum. Thanks.

There are several issues though. Like what do you do if you are intolerant to vitamin D supplementation as someone I know well is?

Although I have long known my vitamin D has been a bit low, it is only recently that I have been consistent in supplementing. I take an oral spray which includes vitamin K2 - believed to help avoid calcium deposition in the wrong places as can happen with significant vitamin D intake.
 
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Very good, where did you find this?
About 2 miles out of Howden, just past hump backed bridge, where road used to flood.. You, ll know the road.
I, m not making any conclusions from it, just reporting it as it happened. The deer died,I waited with it until vet arrived. He had to put it down.
And BTW OG implying posters are lying is low even for you. Not very nice is it...
 
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If you get bored during the lockdown, I stumbled across this. I haven't read any of it yet, but it could give you hours of fun debunking or verifying it. From the titles, it looks like most of the data is from USA, but some of the scientific stuff should be more general.
 
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I was discussing this the other day. I don‘t use Facebook much, but I know quite a few people with 200 -300 friends in there. A discussion going around on FB and people are asking their friends who’s had Covid-19. They are getting about 2 positive responses. That’s had COVID-19, not got it now. Now I know this is Facebook, but the people in question aren’t conspiracy theorists. It seems very queer that if 1 in 50 have Covid now and 1 in 3 are supposed to have had it, that they aren’t getting more positive responses. The same results seem to be widespread.

Only 5 people known personally to me have had Covid.
A problem with that is that some or all of them might have had normal colds or seasonal flu, then believed that they had the virus, either with a positive test or without. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone with a common cold tests positive. have there been any studies done?

I would have believed that I had the virus until a CRT scan showed otherwise, and I'd bet that if I had died, I'd have Covid-19 on my death certificate!
 
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I am on a health-related forum quite regularly. The numbers who are reporting it now seem much higher than they have ever previously been.

About 10,000 at least occasionally active members. Probably about 1,000 regularly so. And, at a guess, something like half a dozen now. And a string of reports going back to January. Even a couple of possibilities from 2019. Because it isn't a Covid-19 forum in any way, many members might simply not say anything. And quite a number are being extremely careful because they percieve themselves to be especially susceptible. Especially if they had it mildly and maybe didn't get a test (lots of reports have no test associated for various reasons). Or if they became so ill they are in hospital or died. Number of Long Covid claims has also gone up.

(Not suggesting any members are being intentionally dishonest. But we can all misinterpret things.)

However, one of the things many members do is take vitamin D. If it has even a little bit of the impact some have claimed, perhaps that has reduced the illness level?

I think I have more faith in https://covid.joinzoe.com/ than many really official sources.

On their map, I see:
  • Region
    Pembrokeshire
  • Number of contributors
    2165
  • Active cases per million people (estimated)
    18953
  • Number of active cases (estimated)
    2340
The only thing I changed in my life before my unexplained medical emergency was that I had been taking vitamin suppliments during the three weeks before. They were multi-vitamins and vitamin D from Superdrug. I've stopped taking those and now I seem to be OK. Just saying!
 

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Even the Telegraph is getting on the Get Trump bandwagon


So now anything that pleases Biden replaces anything that pleased Trump.
What will the Leave Cabal toss over the side of their previous "principles" to get that FTA
May I suggest send Farage to the USA? that should be worth some Brownie points :cool:
Farage has now signed up to The Great Reset Agenda. I guess either they made him an offer he couldn't refuse or they had some dirt on him. Either way, you can expect to see his prominence rise and he'll be saying and doing a lot of things that you wouldn't expect. Soon, you'll be cheering him on, while they take away more of your wealth and liberties.
 

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The only thing I changed in my life before my unexplained medical emergency was that I had been taking vitamin suppliments during the three weeks before. They were multi-vitamins and vitamin D from Superdrug. I've stopped taking those and now I seem to be OK. Just saying!
I remember some investigation saying we couldn't assimilate nearly all vitamin supplements any how. If you don't get them naturally (ie not concentrated in tablets etc) they are about 10% as effective.
If you want vit D, eat properly and get outside. I have to have regular blood tests, fortunately all nutrients, metals etc etc perfect. Never have vitamin tablets or supplements. Eat like a horse tho... Loads of eggs, salmon, fruit, milk cake and chocolate. Oh and whiskey now and again.
 
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Farage has now signed up to The Great Reset Agenda. I guess either they made him an offer he couldn't refuse or they had some dirt on him. Either way, you can expect to see his prominence rise and he'll be saying and doing a lot of things that you wouldn't expect. Soon, you'll be cheering him on, while they take away more of your wealth and liberties.
Can somebody explain this phrase "global reset". Heard it on other sites. WTF is it??
North Korea taking over???

This is all BS too but have a read.

www.worlddoctorsalliance.com

Convincing tho..
 
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I remember some investigation saying we couldn't assimilate nearly all vitamin supplements any how. If you don't get them naturally (ie not concentrated in tablets etc) they are about 10% as effective.
This is particulary true of vitamin D since the supplements are not and cannot be vitamin D in the form the body uses. The form that's in the supplements the body still has to convert into the vitamin it can use and the efficiency of that process is low and in some people very poor.
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Farage has now signed up to The Great Reset Agenda. I guess either they made him an offer he couldn't refuse or they had some dirt on him. Either way, you can expect to see his prominence rise and he'll be saying and doing a lot of things that you wouldn't expect. Soon, you'll be cheering him on, while they take away more of your wealth and liberties.
Farage is last Friday's newspaper. Suitable for wrapping the Turkey carcass in on its way to the organic recycling centre.
 
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Farage has now signed up to The Great Reset Agenda. I guess either they made him an offer he couldn't refuse or they had some dirt on him. Either way, you can expect to see his prominence rise and he'll be saying and doing a lot of things that you wouldn't expect. Soon, you'll be cheering him on, while they take away more of your wealth and liberties.
Who is this "you'll" fella, anyone we know? and who are the "they" you refer to?
 

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A problem with that is that some or all of them might have had normal colds or seasonal flu, then believed that they had the virus, either with a positive test or without. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone with a common cold tests positive. have there been any studies done?

I would have believed that I had the virus until a CRT scan showed otherwise, and I'd bet that if I had died, I'd have Covid-19 on my death certificate!
A common cold won't give a positive Covid-19 test
https://www.thejournal.ie/can-a-cold-or-flu-give-positive-test-for-covid-19-5155807-Jul2020/
"The test is based on material that is unique to the virus, Professor Mills said, so it’s “not going to pick up influenza or common cold virus”.
 
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About 2 miles out of Howden, just past hump backed bridge, where road used to flood.. You, ll know the road.
I, m not making any conclusions from it, just reporting it as it happened. The deer died,I waited with it until vet arrived. He had to put it down.
And BTW OG implying posters are lying is low even for you. Not very nice is it...
When a story sounds far fetched it usually is... however on the assumption it was true I apologise
Or let's put it like this
" low even for you. Not very nice is it...
Assuming in turn you apologise for that, otherwise we are quits :cool:
 

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A problem with that is that some or all of them might have had normal colds or seasonal flu, then believed that they had the virus, either with a positive test or without. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone with a common cold tests positive. have there been any studies done?
of course. The government would not have bought the RT PCR Covid tests otherwise.
If you are bored, read this:

The test checks for the presence of 3 genes belonging to SARS-COV2, see appendix 5.
 
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I would have believed that I had the virus until a CRT scan showed otherwise, and I'd bet that if I had died, I'd have Covid-19 on my death certificate!
People can spread the virus and become infectious a day or two after being infected. With or without symptoms.
The virus develops first in your upper respiratory track then spreads further down and/or to your bloodstream.
by the time you need a CRT scan, you are pretty far gone and probably need oxygenation.

Pathogenesis of Covid:

https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/55/4/2000607
 
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If you want vit D, eat properly and get outside.
Some people end up low in vitamin D regardless their efforts to go outside and make their own. That is what this person does - as soon as the sun is sufficient to go out in, she will be trying to build up D. Indeed, she can see the effect.

But it slides down dramatically come autumn. And, despite the claims, there is relatively little D in most foods. Some foods that do have D also contain A - which you don't want in excess.

She has problems on the lowest standard available supplement of D. If she were only absorbing 10% it seems to demonstrate further that she has problems. Indeed, she even has problems if she uses an oral spray or tries trans-dermal approaches.
 
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