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There's a said to be a massive convoy of black ops type vehicles and police cars driving around the Vatican at the moment. Something weird is going on if true. I've seen the video. The question is whether it's from today. The News, conspiracy or not is that there was a blackout last night, gunshorts could be heard during the blackout, the Pope was arrested, now this weird convoy. I haven't see any evidence about the Pope, but have seen videos of all the other things, real or not.

Edit: Apparently his office tweeted an apology for him not turning up at the baptism ceremony today.
 
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it seems that the wind of change is coming. Anarchy spreads rapidly on these platforms (eg parler), the US government naturally takes an interest to stop that.
Sure, they can move their servers elsewhere but I doubt that they can be hosted anywhere in the USA, UK, EU or China for long before getting banned again.
They said they already had a host and are in the process of moving over.
 

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There's a massive convoy of black ops type vehicles and police cars driving arounfd the Vatican at the moment. something weird is going on.
Trump dropping in for a visit to fess up? bypassing Scotland (not wanted) on his the way to Saudi...


What does Katie H claim is happening?

Trump supporters have been flooding the internet for hours with the claim that the Pope was arrested in an 80 count indictment.

More nonsense poured on top of nonsense

 
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They're desperate to get Pelosi's laptop back. The FBI have posted photos everywhere asking for help to identify the people who went into the building, but all the photos are of larpers in Trump hats with nothing to hide. In the background of nearly every photo are guys in ninja suits totally unrecognisable. Maybe it was just an opportunist, but I'd be surprised if they still have the laptop or the hard drive.
 
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"The FBI have posted photos everywhere asking for help to identify the people who went into the building,"

Bit odd that if Trump et al believe the mob was "99.9%" Antifa

"all the photos are of larpers in Trump hats :"

So now they're not antifa but Ricky Gervais and the cast of Extras doing an honest day's work.

"In the background of nearly every photo are guys in ninja suits totally unrecognisable. "

Well there was this armed numpty win tactical gear with zip-ties who had the foresight to cover himself with various insignia which made it easier to pin who he was. So is he really Antifa, a bit part actor or one of 'them' or simply a faithful Trumpite obeying orders.

 
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. What has Starmer said or done that might think he could have handled either Covid or Brexit any better. Nothing.
spell out the obvious for our government?
 
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There's a said to be a massive convoy of black ops type vehicles and police cars driving around the Vatican at the moment. Something weird is going on if true. I've seen the video. The question is whether it's from today. The News, conspiracy or not is that there was a blackout last night, gunshorts could be heard during the blackout, the Pope was arrested, now this weird convoy. I haven't see any evidence about the Pope, but have seen videos of all the other things, real or not.

Edit: Apparently his office tweeted an apology for him not turning up at the baptism ceremony today.
Congratulations on the best comedy yet
If in fact the Pope has been arrested I might have to revise my Atheism
Following the fashion set by Starmer :cool:
 
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"The FBI have posted photos everywhere asking for help to identify the people who went into the building,"

Bit odd that if Trump et al believe the mob was "99.9%" Antifa

"all the photos are of larpers in Trump hats :"

So now they're not antifa but Ricky Gervais and the cast of Extras doing an honest day's work.

"In the background of nearly every photo are guys in ninja suits totally unrecognisable. "

Well there this armed numpty win tactical gear with zip-ties who had the foresight to cover himself with various insignia which made it easier to pin who he was. So is he really Antifa, a bit part actor or one of 'them' or simply a faithful Trumpite obeying orders.

Can see Trump pardoning all of them. A nothing to lose, stuff you act.
 

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spell out the obvious for our government?
That's the last thing they wanted, but yes you are right.
Zlatan as usual thinks along the lines that the Crew of the Titanic are to blame for not helping by failing to warn the captain to avoid the iceberg.
When the reality is neither they nor Starmer had any power to influence fatally flawed decisions by those in power.
 
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Watching Parler crumble, in real time

She dead, Jim...

But if you want to see how this joke* of a right wing/conspiracy laced social network was dismantled, bit by bit in the space of a few hours, follow the thread.

*Amazon servers? really? There is some supreme irony in that right there.
Are you cheering them on while they gradually remove your personal liberties, while unelected oligarchs march on with their Great Reset that will have a profound effect on your life? It doesn't bother me because I'm not really invested in the future. I'm just an observer.
 
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Are you cheering them on while they gradually remove your personal liberties, while unelected oligarchs march on with their Great Reset that will have a profound effect on your life? It doesn't bother me because I'm not really invested in the future. I'm just an observer.
"while unelected oligarchs march on with their Great Reset that will have a profound effect on your life?"
At last you have got around to commenting on Brexit
As to this
" I'm not really invested in the future. I'm just an observer."
You could ring the Samaritans, they help people like that all the time. :D
 

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Can't remember who was championing Starmer for saviour from our current situation so who ever...
Starmer was elected labour leader a month into Lockdown 1 (April 2020),tthat was following previous leader actually saying he would neither be wearing a mask or social distancing. Since that date Starmer has actually had little to say that actually differs from Tory strategy.. (Lockdown 5 days earlier, as most were saying and resuggesting a firebreak he, d picked up from Scientists. His questioning of government has been almost insubstantial, his positioning on entire subject rather following a very obvious and expected course. Would he actually have done anything different? Not really. Would we be in any different position now under Starmer? (had labour won it would have been Corbyn anyhow).
Under Starmer chances are we, d be in exactly same situation but now tied to EU vaccine purchasing and probably still awaiting rollout to start. (One of things Starmer did say is we should have gone in with EU)
So, no Starmer would not have put us in a different position but more importantly he will never be PM.. So its doubly hypothetical. Had Labour been elected I wonder where Corbyn would have taken us.. Diane Abott as health Secretary perhaps??
And, as much as we are iin a terrible situation, it could be a damned site worse. We have not seen NHS collapse yet, touch wood. We now have three working vaccines available and we have vaccinated over 2 million people.
I just wonder what Starmer would have done differently since last April??? Nothing of substantial value.
 
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I think it quite possible she might have come across as a more humane and caring HS than the current one.
Possibly but I, m not convinced.
To be in a substantially different place to our current situation would require going back 10 or perhaps 20 years and implementing change to NHS and PHE along with implementing a working test and trace system along with a working programme to steer us through this crisis. Oh, and perhaps a change of attitude amongst public, its laws and enforcing them.
Our future was more or less decided last March when this all started. The problems can't be fixed with one change of leader or even party but a change in emphasis and systems. Hopefully the next government, or this one, realises all this.
 

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