Brexit, for once some facts.

RossG

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It's nothing to do with you how he spends his money, but you can be sure he has substantially contributed personally. He also physically works voluntarily in relief centres. His fellow Mancunian and premier division footballer Raheem Stirling is well known for doing a huge amount for charity, using only his own money, so I'm sure Marcus in the rival Manchester team would not want to be outdone. I think what Marcus has achieved so far at the age of 22 is remarkable and your mean minded criticism is wholly undeserved.



Fantasising again? I've posted nothing of the sort, quite the opposite.



The shock would be yours if you could see the reality that has been my life and what I've lived though and still have some contact with.

Were you born to very poor parents in the East End of London?

Have you lived in the cockroach and rodent infested Newport Buildings that were in Soho long ago?

Have you lived for a while in the former Gorbals of Glasgow that were only corrected with bulldozing? They were among the most poverty stricken and frankly shocking areas the UK has ever known.

And in recent better times have you spent half of an entire substantial annual income that you were receiving on charity, every year for ten years?

Thought not.

I've lost the poverty and hardship, but not the memories or contact with it's continuance.

Yes of course these things are the responsibility of government, but get real. All the while the public insist on returning Tory governments dedicated to making the rich more wealthy and the poor poorer, it's not going to happen.

So we can be callous and thoughtless like you and pretend there's no hardship. Or do something about it like many of us, including Marcus, while suffering the insults of the blinkered.
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Well I've asked you once flecc so I'll only ask one last time " do you know how much Marcus Rashford has personally donated to the cause he supports ? " you don't and you wont but you keep insisting he does/has.
Have I lived in squalor ... yes... I also know about how charitable organisations are run I used to work for them, coincidently I'll be visiting one tomorrow making my usual donation (disabled children).
I was born in a slum so don't bother going down that route, anything you can do etc...

As I keep saying you can be part of the problem or part of the solution, let's see Boris do a U-turn on free school meals then lets see that U-turn solve a problem that doesn't actually exist.
 

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But didn't your enamorata, fair hared boy, love of your life numpty trumpy cast a postal primary vote in August?
I'm not a Trump supporter. Where did you get that idea from. I just simply state facts. The results of the election won't affect me in any way. I have no family and I have enough money to see my life out. I'm merely an observer.

The American election is probably the most important thing that will happen this decade for most people, which is why I'm following it, but more so because things don't add up. It's the same reason that I studied Tommy Robinson. I don't support him, nor his ideas, but there was definitely something very wrong with the way he was treated. These things cause me to believe that bad actors are at work, both here and in the USA. In fact across many parts of the western World.

When Biden and Obama can only get a few dozen supporters to turn up at their rallies and Trump brings thousands of cheering flag wavers to every one of his, something that we're being told doesn't add up. In fact there are now more Trump hecklers turning up to Biden's rallies than his own supporters. The Trump side seems to be the side having fun, while Biden's is the side of despair.

Having said that, I do find trump's speeches very entertaining. They really lift your spirits. It's a combination of pantomime and stand-up. You should watch one. On the other hand, Biden reading from his auto-cue with no personality in a vacant sort of way is very depressing. I feel sorry for the guy. He's clearly not very comfortable when he does it.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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I'm not a Trump supporter. Where did you get that idea from. I just simply state facts. The results of the election won't affect me in any way. I have no family and I have enough money to see my life out. I'm merely an observer.

The American election is probably the most important thing that will happen this decade for most people, which is why I'm following it, but more so because things don't add up. It's the same reason that I studied Tommy Robinson. I don't support him, nor his ideas, but there was definitely something very wrong with the way he was treated. These things cause me to believe that bad actors are at work, both here and in the USA. In fact across many parts of the western World.

When Biden and Obama can only get a few dozen supporters to turn up at their rallies and Trump brings thousands of cheering flag wavers to every one of his, something that we're being told doesn't add up. In fact there are now more Trump hecklers turning up to Biden's rallies than his own supporters. The Trump side seems to be the side having fun, while Biden's is the side of despair.

Having said that, I do find trump's speeches very entertaining. They really lift your spirits. It's a combination of pantomime and stand-up. You should watch one. On the other hand, Biden reading from his auto-cue with no personality in a vacant sort of way is very depressing. I feel sorry for the guy. He's clearly not very comfortable when he does it.
I'm also interested in facts. Thousands died because of the way trump mismanaged covid. Same as here with boris and care homes. That, in both cases, are the tips of very large ugly icebergs of corruption, exploitation of the state, taxpayers for their own, their cronies' benefit. That upsets me. I like politicians to be like competent gp's. Completely without bedside manner. I'm interested in their policies, not to be entertained by them.
 

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I'm also interested in facts. Thousands died because of the way trump mismanaged covid. Same as here with boris and care homes. That, in both cases, are the tips of very large ugly icebergs of corruption, exploitation of the state, taxpayers for their own, their cronies' benefit. That upsets me. I like politicians to be like competent gp's. Completely without bedside manner. I'm interested in their policies, not to be entertained by them.
I think either you've been misinformed or you've misunderstood what's going on. Don't forget that Trump was one of the first world leaders to take action and the media went nuts at him for it. everybody called him Xenophobic and Nancy Pelosi was inviting everybody to Chinatown to hug a Chinaman. Then, while the virus was building up, he had to deal with the impeachment, which turned out to based on completely fake Russian disinformation. It turns out that his accusers were doing everything they had accused him of doing.
 

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The Ministry of Defence initially denied it was involved but there were calls for the Special Boat Service, based not far away in Poole, to be deployed. It is understood that the government has requested military assistance.
The stowaways have been detained after the SBS stormed the tanker, details here.
 
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I reckon it's 50/50 who will win the US election, two barmy geriatrics who are even crazier than me...and that takes some doing. He's a fact for ya...combined age of the two candidates = 151 years, if there's something rotten in the White House I don't think it's the politics that needs changing.
 
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Don't forget that Trump was one of the first world leaders to take action and the media went nuts at him for it.
this is because politicians tend to side with the more educated voters.
Trump shows that he can win by siding with the less educated voters.
However, Trump is not a good leader. His priority is so close to home that he prioritised the stock market by cutting taxes instead of the more tedious job of growing the real economy. China for example does not have low taxes but the tax money is spent on infrastructure projects and improving the life of 1.3 billion people. Trump benefited virtually only the rich. Even the less educated voters eventually see that he is not only ineffective president, he does not deliver for them.
Biden on the other hand builds consensus with the Reps apparatchik. He rakes in money from both left and right. That's something. You could call it crooked if you like, but I do like coalition governments.
 

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I reckon it's 50/50 who will win the US election
latest polls in Texas give Biden 48/45 - 3 point lead. It's not a dead cert but Trump did not regain ground since the last debate. Texas has not voted Dems since Jimmy Carter.
Trump plays the 'Biden is a socialist' card - he has effectively run out of ideas.
 

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Interesting comments. Aren't I mixing with you here?

Have I hit a sore point or something. You don't seem very happy today.
No you are simply a slight annoyance, like a little fly that won't buzz off, still posting your usual nut job theories?
There are serious things going on, try to land on this planet. ;)
 

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I hope the police are going to hang those tanker pirates from the yardarm on Plymouth Hoe. The ship’s crew and their families back home must have been terrified. A clear message and example needs to be sent out.
 

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Well I've asked you once flecc so I'll only ask one last time " do you know how much Marcus Rashford has personally donated to the cause he supports ? "
And as I said, what he earns and does with his money is none of your business. Even if he gave no money, his giving up time and physically working for the charities is still more generous than all the people who do nothing.

As I keep saying you can be part of the problem or part of the solution, let's see Boris do a U-turn on free school meals then lets see that U-turn solve a problem that doesn't actually exist.
We only have what we are born with in terms of ability and intelligence and many only have very limited ability to be part of the solution and avoid being part of the problem. It's your refusal to understand that and accept that this problem exists which creates the problem.

I agree with you that it Is a government problem, obviously if the kids need meals during school weeks, they need them when not in school. But again as I said, a Tory government will always try to avoid such responsibilities.
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I think either you've been misinformed or you've misunderstood what's going on. Don't forget that Trump was one of the first world leaders to take action and the media went nuts at him for it. everybody called him Xenophobic and Nancy Pelosi was inviting everybody to Chinatown to hug a Chinaman. Then, while the virus was building up, he had to deal with the impeachment, which turned out to based on completely fake Russian disinformation. It turns out that his accusers were doing everything they had accused him of doing.
The Americas had the longest lead in time to this pandemic. The USAs response has been appalling, and I suspect it has been the source for the even worse death tolls in South America. Compare Canada's response with that of the USA.
And yes the Trump response to flights from China was racist and xenophobic. He did not quarantine or stop USA citizens, ,just Chinese. It was an economic warfare ploy at the time, dealing with trade sanctions not hygiene.
 

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Even tories don't agree:

Scottish Tory leader: I still can't see why Dominic Cummings did not resign
Durham lockdown trip by prime minister’s adviser undermined government, says Douglas Ross

The Scottish Tory leader, Douglas Ross, has reignited the row over Dominic Cummings’ Durham lockdown trip by indicating that he could not see how the prime minister’s most senior aide did not resign over the incident.

Ross, who quit his junior ministerial post in protest at Cummings’ 264-mile journey from London at the height of Covid-19 restrictions, said the actions of Boris Johnson’s adviser were “indefensible” and that they had undermined the government.

In a fresh intervention unlikely to prove popular in Number 10, Ross stood by his decision to stand down and suggested Cummings should have followed his lead.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/25/scottish-tory-leader-dominic-cummings-resign-durham-douglas-ross
 
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