Brexit, for once some facts.

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It's a shame that votes are not live, so you can change your mind at any time and the new vote counts. That would stop politicians telling lies or doing other bad things because the moment they did anything to upset their voters without a clear justification, they'd find themselves in the dole queue. It would really hold them to account and would stop them from making daft promises in the first place.
one day we won't need to vote. We'll just leave it to google.
 

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I was reading recently that the view from the EU Brexit negotiators was that Boris was unlikely to make up his mind re deal or no deal until he knew who won the US election. If Biden won then Boris would be fairly desperate to get some kind of deal, but if Trump won then he would not be that bothered, this seems to make sense, any thoughts?
arch brexiteers popping up desperately defending trump (even on this far flung thread) as his (one, fifteen minute) star is falling in the election is probably not a coincidence. Biden is pro eu and a deeply unpopular boris post covid may find he backed the wrong horse after all with brexit.
 
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Irrelevant, he couldn't solve the whole national problem personally and if he could wouldn't need to campaign.



It's long been this government's policy for charity to take the strain. That is what Cameron's Big Society meant, the government can't do everything



So you know the lucky ones.



Ditto.



That's an arrogant assumption, you have no idea how wrong you are on this. You see the picture you portray on this subject, and you are right that exists too and is the majority of the issue. Unfortunately you assume that rules out the opposite situation, which it emphatically does not. There really are people in this country who cannot afford food and go short to avoid their overall situation getting even worse.
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What a strange post flecc, but not unexpected unfortunately. I would still like to know how much this millionaire footballer is donating of his personal vast wealth before I donate any of mine, it's very much relevant as he is clearly in a much better position to commit hard cash than you or I. We wouldn't need charities if the Gov sorted out poverty that related to those who really are in need, and that's not greedy school kids with their expensive mobiles.
I'm glad you agree with me however that my view is the majority of the issue, I still know the families I mixed with back in the day when things were tough for me so I have a full and complete heads-up on what's happening in the real world.
The people who get themselves out of any hole they might be in are not "lucky Ones" they use their skills they have, that we all have one way or another to better themselves. Free hand-outs from the Gov to spend on booze, smokes & drugs is hardly the way forward is it now ? Few families will behave that way you reckon ? climb out away from your keyboard flecc and see the real world then come back and we can discus what you have seen...if you can get over the shock of reality that is.
 

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Johnson, and Patel, seem to be intent on rubbing people up the wrong way - to say the least. Assembling this many legal bods in one go is pretty (ha!) impressive.

Lawyers call for apology from Johnson and Patel for endangering colleagues

Letter signed by more than 800 ex-judges and legal figures also accuses PM and home secretary of undermining rule of law

Anyone left who hasn't been rubbed up the wrong way?
 
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Pardon me, but wasn't it the dems that ordered the uncontrolled mail-in voting that's open to voter fraud.
The uncontrolled bit is that it is not an offence to collect fully legitimate and certified mail in ballots in fake letter boxes or to go around soliciting them from householders.. both GoP party tricks
 
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The uncontrolled bit is that it is not an offence to collect fully legitimate and certified mail in ballots in fake letter boxes or to go around soliciting them from householders.. both GoP party tricks
GOP tried to prevent mail-in voting, so what you're saying doesn't make sense. If they could use it to their advantage, they'd be cheering for it, wouldn't they? Time to rattle your head a bit until the brain cell gets in the right position between your ears, then you might be able to do very basic logic.

BTW, some very uncomfortable videos of Hunter Biden are floating around on 4Chan at the moment.
 

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I would still like to know how much this millionaire footballer is donating of his personal vast wealth before I donate any of mine, it's very much relevant as he is clearly in a much better position to commit hard cash than you or I.
It's nothing to do with you how he spends his money, but you can be sure he has substantially contributed personally. He also physically works voluntarily in relief centres. His fellow Mancunian and premier division footballer Raheem Stirling is well known for doing a huge amount for charity, using only his own money, so I'm sure Marcus in the rival Manchester team would not want to be outdone. I think what Marcus has achieved so far at the age of 22 is remarkable and your mean minded criticism is wholly undeserved.

Free hand-outs from the Gov to spend on booze, smokes & drugs is hardly the way forward is it now ? Few families will behave that way you reckon ?
Fantasising again? I've posted nothing of the sort, quite the opposite.

climb out away from your keyboard flecc and see the real world then come back and we can discus what you have seen...if you can get over the shock of reality that is.
The shock would be yours if you could see the reality that has been my life and what I've lived though and still have some contact with.

Were you born to very poor parents in the East End of London?

Have you lived in the cockroach and rodent infested Newport Buildings that were in Soho long ago?

Have you lived for a while in the former Gorbals of Glasgow that were only corrected with bulldozing? They were among the most poverty stricken and frankly shocking areas the UK has ever known.

And in recent better times have you spent half of an entire substantial annual income that you were receiving on charity, every year for ten years?

Thought not.

I've lost the poverty and hardship, but not the memories or contact with it's continuance.

Yes of course these things are the responsibility of government, but get real. All the while the public insist on returning Tory governments dedicated to making the rich more wealthy and the poor poorer, it's not going to happen.

So we can be callous and thoughtless like you and pretend there's no hardship. Or do something about it like many of us, including Marcus, while suffering the insults of the blinkered.
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Appears not to be a hijacking but there are stowaways.
Getting more confusing:

Military and police forces were preparing on Sunday evening to deal with the reported attempted hijacking of a Liberian-registered tanker off the Isle of Wight after stowaways on board were said to have become violent.


Coastguard helicopters were hovering around the Nave Andromeda, a Greek-owned ship, as it pursued a zigzag course several miles beyond Sandown off the eastern end of the Isle of Wight.


At one stage the vessel was said to have anchored in the Channel. Its erratic progress suggested that the skipper may not be fully in control.


The Ministry of Defence initially denied it was involved but there were calls for the Special Boat Service, based not far away in Poole, to be deployed. It is understood that the government has requested military assistance.
 
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It's in the video. You only have to use your eyes. here it is again if you missed it:
good find that is. So funny.
Biden is well passed retirement age!
I look forward to President Harris!
 

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good find that is. So funny.
Biden is well passed retirement age!
I look forward to President Harris!
If he Biden wins the election, the dems will support the republicans to impeach him, so they can get their chosen regime in. If you see how fast he's becoming demented in the last 6 months, you can see that he's never going to last the year out anyway.
 

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When she has gone, would the rest form an orderly queue to follow her?

Coronavirus: Senior Conservative MP and Johnson ally calls for Dido Harding to be axed from Test and Trace role
Claiming the public has lost confidence in Test and Trace, Sir Bernard Jenkin calls for Dido Harding to be removed from her role.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-senior-conservative-mp-and-johnson-ally-calls-for-dido-harding-to-be-axed-from-test-and-trace-role-12113820
What’s all of this, “the public have lost confidence in the test & trace system”? The public has never had any confidence, so they can’t have lost confidence. Confidence failed to even get of the ground when they appointed a jockey with a catastrophic track record in business to run it.
 

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Everyone knows that’s the plan. That’s why Trump will triumph.
Trump's also passed retirement age, he is running out of fighting funds and his supporters are not going to pay for TV ads.
Biden can relax, the media does all the work for him.
 

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