Brexit, for once some facts.

[Barry Shittpeas]

Just been chatting to an ex colleague. His area moves to Tier 2 High Risk on Saturday. This means he can no longer visit his mother by calling in to see her. However, it’s ok for him to pile into the boozer for a 16 hour session packed shoulder to shoulder with total strangers.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Margaret Ferrier is to face no further action. So, this would appear to endorse using public transport whilst in full knowledge that you have Coronavirus. Another fine example of leadership and standards set by our MPs.

She should be hung upside down by one ankle and flogged.

 

[flecc]

Just been chatting to an ex colleague. His area moves to Tier 2 High Risk on Saturday. This means he can no longer visit his mother by calling in to see her. However, it’s ok for him to pile into the boozer for a 16 hour session packed shoulder to shoulder with total strangers.

Barry, the restrictions are all stupid, take Tier 2 for example.

According to that I can't now go to visit a friend in Inner London who has invited me because it's two households mixing.

But I can call there, ring his bell so he can come out and join me for us to visit a pub, shop or anywhere else open to the public.

Now let's look into that further. He's in a higher risk zone of London, I'm in a much lower risk zone with 72.9 infections per 100,000. So that mixing doesn't look wise.

However there's all the buts:

My borough is in truth two which very noticeably never mix, shouldn't even be identified as one, and it's the well separated Northern one that yet again that has the bulk of that 72.9 infection rate, not my Southern one

I live alone, spend my spare time in the countryside and shop far into a rural county with very low infection rates and the one shop I go to there is in its safest area.

My Inner London also single household friend doesn't get out and about since he walks slowly with a pair of crutches.

So we are both extremely low risk, once again showing how complex circumstances can be and how one size never fits all.

Conclusion, it's for everyone to make their own decisions. Those who make good decisons have little to worry about, those whe make bad decisons pay for it as in every aspect of life. What is wrong with that?
.

 

[RossG]

The one and probably only problem with making your own decisions in this instance is when they're wrong they affect everyone not just yourself. If you want to wander around without a mask on, visit friends etc you can if fact do so, it's a case of be it on your own neck and someone else's too. It's simple enough to understand imo they just don't "get it" pity.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Barry, the restrictions are all stupid, take Tier 2 for example.

According to that I can't now go to visit a friend in Inner London who has invited me because it's two households mixing.

But I can call there, ring his bell so he can come out and join me for us to visit a pub, shop or anywhere else open to the public.

Now let's look into that further. He's in a higher risk zone of London, I'm in a much lower risk zone with 72.9 infections per 100,000. So that mixing doesn't look wise.

However there's all the buts:

My borough is in truth two which very noticeably never mix, shouldn't even be identified as one, and it's the well separated Northern one that yet again that has the bulk of that 72.9 infection rate, not my Southern one

I live alone, spend my spare time in the countryside and shop far into a rural county with very low infection rates and the one shop I go to there is in its safest area.

My Inner London also single household friend doesn't get out and about since he walks slowly with a pair of crutches.

So we are both extremely low risk, once again showing how complex circumstances can be and how one size never fits all.

Conclusion, it's for everyone to make their own decisions. Those who make good decisons have little to worry about, those whe make bad decisons pay for it as in every aspect of life. What is wrong with that?
.

I agree, except for the very last bit. Those making bad decisions inflict the consequences on others as well as themselves. Medical staff, public transport workers, teachers to name but a few are adversely affected by the reckless behaviour of others. That’s what I find most annoying.

 

[Woosh]

government should set clear target: 50% hospital beds for Covid for example.
If hospitals in your city are filled with more than that, your city goes on to lockdown.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Barry, the restrictions are all stupid, take Tier 2 for example.

According to that I can't now go to visit a friend in Inner London who has invited me because it's two households mixing.

But I can call there, ring his bell so he can come out and join me for us to visit a pub, shop or anywhere else open to the public.

Now let's look into that further. He's in a higher risk zone of London, I'm in a much lower risk zone with 72.9 infections per 100,000. So that mixing doesn't look wise.

However there's all the buts:

My borough is in truth two which very noticeably never mix, shouldn't even be identified as one, and it's the well separated Northern one that yet again that has the bulk of that 72.9 infection rate, not my Southern one

I live alone, spend my spare time in the countryside and shop far into a rural county with very low infection rates and the one shop I go to there is in its safest area.

My Inner London also single household friend doesn't get out and about since he walks slowly with a pair of crutches.

So we are both extremely low risk, once again showing how complex circumstances can be and how one size never fits all.

Conclusion, it's for everyone to make their own decisions. Those who make good decisons have little to worry about, those whe make bad decisons pay for it as in every aspect of life. What is wrong with that?
.

The rules are crazy. I can go to a pub packed with strangers and I’m ok. But if one of those people in the packed pub is there as a result of a prior arrangement to meet them there, I’m in breach of the rules. Which dick-head thought that up?

The rules need to be clear and logical, five maximum. They need to be applied uniformly throughout the United Kingdom. They need to have a start date, preferably with some advanced notice based on trend, and they need a defined end date. We may need to apply them several times per year.

What we have now is a complete clusterfuck of layer upon layer of nonsensical rules which not only vary depending whether you are in England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, but which town you are in as well.

It’s such a fuckup, I think it’s deliberate and intended to cause confusion, which then makes it almost impossible to pin anything on Johnson.

 

[oldgroaner]

You can only do so much for people. The rest is down to them. Appalling behaviour by the public is making Coronavirus worse than it needs to be.

That is true and I'm sure they ruined the paintwork on the lifeboats of the Titanic too in their panic, but it wasn't their decision to run into an iceberg was it?

 

[oldgroaner]

The EU have kicked the UK ultimatum into touch
on the day Johnson set as his "I will walk away" deadline.

In other words close the door on your way out sunshine!

And the UK press reaction?

Can't wait to see tomorrow's headlines, has anyone had a convenient boob job, or any royal sprogs been dropped?

 

[flecc]

The rules are crazy. I can go to a pub packed with strangers and I’m ok. But if one of those people in the packed pub is there as a result of a prior arrangement to meet them there, I’m in breach of the rules. Which dick-head thought that up?

It's even worse than that, I've just been listening to an explanation of the law on some of the details.

A tier 1 resident can legally visit a tier 2 resident in their home, but not the reverse !!!!

Apparently the virus can only travel one way.
.

 

[oyster]

The EU have kicked the UK ultimatum into touch
on the day Johnson set as his "I will walk away" deadline.

In other words close the door on your way out sunshine!

With Johnson TRUSSed up like that, he'd be really looking forward to his old mate David Cameron coming round to re-interpret his Piers Gaveston Society days...

 

[flecc]

I agree, except for the very last bit. Those making bad decisions inflict the consequences on others as well as themselves. Medical staff, public transport workers, teachers to name but a few are adversely affected by the reckless behaviour of others. That’s what I find most annoying.

Not necessarily so, I practice the separation indicated by the other person. If they stop short by two metres, I do too. If they don't bother with separation, neither do I. That appears to be a common practice to me.

Ergo, each practices what is decided by the person most scared of the bogeyman.
.

 

[RossG]

That is true and I'm sure they ruined the paintwork on the lifeboats of the Titanic too in their panic, but it wasn't their decision to run into an iceberg was it?

I've got a document signed by a Titanic survivor.

 

[oyster]

The rules are crazy.

Mother, father, god-mother, god-father and officiator can attend a baptism - which, with infant, reaches the grand total of 6.

But if it is twins, they have to have separate ceremonies. (Or cut out a god-parent.)

Does anyone seriously suggest two babes, living together, quite possibly spending most of every day in very close proximity to each other and their parents, represent even the slightest increase in risk by being baptised together?

 

[oldgroaner]

I seriously doubt you are an idiot, but the only alternative is agent provocateur. The first debate was poor . Biden was poor, but Trump was disastrous. Anyone who was not utterly partisan in the Trump religion knew that. In fact I then suspected that I.R.STrump had not contracted CV19 but his handlers had invented a way to avoid his doing another.
I am very puzzled whether in fact Trump has or had or ever had CV19. The only evidence to my mind is the manic mood which is typical of steroids His medical team have lost all medical credibility. If he has it , its NOT GONE

Still at least we now now that the way to cure being pursued by the I.R.S. is simply a course of steroids
It was obviously a publicity stunt. Even a Tommy whotsit fan should be able to see that

 

[oldgroaner]

I've got a document signed by a Titanic survivor.

Go on. I can't what for the next bit

 

[oyster]

Still at least we now now that the way to cure being pursued by the I.R.S. is simply a course of steroids
It was obviously a publicity stunt. Even a Tommy whotsit fan should be able to see that

Silver lining time? Tax evasion rather did for Al Capone. (Or neurosyphilis, in the end.)

 

[RossG]

Go on. I can't what for the next bit

Narh that's it, couldn't bid on the deckchair.

 

[oyster]

Go on. I can't what for the next bit

That's nothing. I've got one signed by a passenger who perished.

 

[RossG]

flecc was there when it set off from Southampton