Brexit, for once some facts.

[RossG]

The way I look at it is I can see large parts of the world that had it and somehow they managed to deal with it their way, Korea did it their way too and it worked. We in the west tried a different tact and it's failed miserably, in fact it's been a complete disaster.
When in the past the world suffered other such calamities like the Plagues we got through it, the world didn't end and I don't think it will this time. What's different now is we have many more tools at our disposal unfortunately this Gov is reluctant or just plain scared to use them.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

That’s why more people will die then. A sloppy half hearted approach guarantees it.

I agree. But you voted for boris, a half hearted sloppy piece of work. That guaranteed where we are now. Practically the worst performing (ito deaths as well as economic impact) country in the world ito covid. Constantly "balancing" the economy and deaths to the detriment of both. It reminds me of macbeth (who thought he could "show one face to the masses and another to himself without going mad" - or someone who votes for boris' corruption to pay less tax, but is then upset when boris is also corrupt in the way he deals with a pandemic)

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I agree. But you voted for boris, a half hearted sloppy piece of work. That guaranteed where we are now. Practically the worst performing (ito deaths as well as economic impact) country in the world ito covid. Constantly "balancing" the economy and deaths to the detriment of both. It reminds me of macbeth (who thought he could "show one face to the masses and another to himself without going mad" - or someone who votes for boris' corruption to pay less tax, but is then upset when boris is also corrupt in the way he deals with a pandemic)

I agree regarding Boris and my vote for him.

Controlling this virus and giving ourselves the best chance of living with it in some sort of normality requires the public to do their bit too. They aren’t pulling their weight.

The public shoulder some of the responsibility for the appalling death toll, not all of it, but a good chunk.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I agree regarding Boris and my vote for him.

Controlling this virus and giving ourselves the best chance of living with it in some sort of normality requires the public to do their bit too. They aren’t pulling their weight.

The public shoulder some of the responsibility for the appalling death toll, not all of it, but a good chunk.

That's true. But it's the kind of public who voted for brexit. who like to blame others (the eu, migrants) - and dont like to take responsibility for their own greed, duplicity (wanting Scandinavian levels of health and social care while paying US levels of tax). And who vote for someone like boris who collude with the lies (blaming the eu, migrants for decades of under investment in the uk, its infrastructure). Anyway, I'll get of the soap box. Covid is very much like a brexit before brexit. An opportunity to see how well we can manage on our own. Which we evidently cant. Which may be a blessing in disguise. But well probably only realise this after half a million more deaths.

 

[oldgroaner]

Seeing as there's so much nonsense on COVID this article is a breath of fresh air (imho of course).

Basically - forget about a vaccine - COVID mutates way too fast for that (just like the HIV/AIDS virus did). It's written by an Indian so you get that perspective - but even so I thought it worth the read.

India and US on cusp of rescuing world from Covid-19 - The Sunday Guardian Live

The manner in which President Trump appears to be recovering from his bout with the novel coronavirus indicates that the treatment route should not be

www.sundayguardianlive.com

Does he work for Cambridge Analytica?
Brilliant salesman...
However he could well have a point, thanks for the link

 

[oldgroaner]

I agree regarding Boris and my vote for him.

Controlling this virus and giving ourselves the best chance of living with it in some sort of normality requires the public to do their bit too. They aren’t pulling their weight.

The public shoulder some of the responsibility for the appalling death toll, not all of it, but a good chunk.

Damn unsporting, dying like that!
Seriously though a huge section of society seem to have the survival instincts of Lemmings

 

[oldgroaner]

And the Government is at it again in an attempt to turn us into an American Colony
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Brexit: Anger as ministers use obscure rule to deny MPs a vote on blocking chlorinated chicken imports

Exclusive: Ministers attacked for ‘unbelievable’ tactic to thwart expected Tory revolt to protect food standards

Don't worry it's only in the Independent, no Brexit fan will be worried

 

[Woosh]

Seeing as there's so much nonsense on COVID this article is a breath of fresh air (imho of course).

Basically - forget about a vaccine - COVID mutates way too fast for that (just like the HIV/AIDS virus did). It's written by an Indian so you get that perspective - but even so I thought it worth the read.

India and US on cusp of rescuing world from Covid-19 - The Sunday Guardian Live

The manner in which President Trump appears to be recovering from his bout with the novel coronavirus indicates that the treatment route should not be

www.sundayguardianlive.com

all the current medications (dexamethasone, remdesivir, synthetic antibodies like regeneron's REGN-COV2 etc) don't replace nor boost your own immunity.
They suppress the symptoms or reduce the rate of replication of the virus.
If we rely on them instead of vaccines, we'll give pharma companies a blank cheque book.

 

[Woosh]

Meanwhile, instead of flogging a vaccine dead horse, we can develop medicines to alleviate Covid symptoms, just as we've done for so many other conditions we can't cure.
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give vaccines another year. I like the traditional approach of using inactivated copies of virus.

current progress report:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/inaugural-who-partners-forum/novel-coronavirus-landscape-covid-19-(6).pdf?sfvrsn=3086971d_1&download=true

 

[RossG]

Trump is saying he didn't just get better, he was completely cured with no signs of covid remaining. He also says he now has a "glow" surrounding him, maybe they injected him with Ready Brek

 

[oyster]

all the current medications (dexamethasone, remdesivir, synthetic antibodies like regeneron's REGN-COV2 etc) don't replace nor boost your own immunity.
They suppress the symptoms or reduce the rate of replication of the virus.
If we rely on them instead of vaccines, we'll give pharma companies a blank cheque book.

Difficult to be sure of that. There is some suggestion that vitamin D does boost our immune systems.

But there is also the question of whether we should be boosting our immune systems - given the reported cytokine storm issues.

 

[oldgroaner]

Behold the Monster Brexit created eh?

 

[oldgroaner]

Trump is saying he didn't just get better, he was completely cured with no signs of covid remaining. He also says he now has a "glow" surrounding him, maybe they injected him with Ready Brek

It's the glow of satisfaction when a publicity stunt to smokescreen tax fiddling comes off!

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I didn’t realise that the mysterious Joint Biosecurity Centre (JBC) reported directly to the jockey (Lady Fuckup). I should have realised this when she hutched responsibility for issuing guidance, which the country was supposed to be following, onto the JBC before it was even set up!

 

[flecc]

Behold the Monster Brexit created eh?

It's the same way he messed up London when he was Mayor, appointing his past friends and acquaintances, rather than people who knew what they were doing.

And just as in London, the consequences become more obvious with time. Eventually he'll run away from the mess he's created while still insisting he was a huge success, just as he did to us.
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[Wicky]

Do-not-resuscitate order: care home use reviewed

Concern that care homes have blanket orders in place covering a number of residents.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[oyster]

Nightingales on alert. Manchester, Sunderland and Harrogate.

Have they got the staff? Indeed, have they done anything about getting the required staff since March?

 

[Woosh]

The NHS can move people around.
I know a couple of junior doctors who got picked for Covid duty in London Excel but got released just before back in May because they weren't needed.
The main issue is the increasing rate of hospitalisations. At the moment, we have something like 5000/30% beds accupied by Covid patients. Their stay in hospitals is around 12 days. At 500-1,000 new admissions a day, It wouldn't take more than 2-3 weeks to bring the hospitals to choke point.
That shows that herd immunity as a trategy won't work.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Have they got the staff? Indeed, have they done anything about getting the required staff since March?

What do you think?

 

[oldgroaner]

Do-not-resuscitate order: care home use reviewed

Concern that care homes have blanket orders in place covering a number of residents.

www.bbc.co.uk

Involuntary suicide pilots, that's what the elderly are perceived as .

Under a new government edict Care Home residents will all receive a white headband with a small Union Jack on the front and a small glass of sake on their last day
Carers will shout "Banzai!" three times for them at the moment of passing.

For a modest fee Family members will be able to claim back a cardboard box containing their ashes, wrapped in the headband and printed on the side will be the Motto
"Took one for the team like Boris"
This insanity has to come to an end