Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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On 10th January WHO published:

Infection prevention and control during health care when novel coronavirus (nCoV) infection is suspected

(The advice might have been inadequate but it clearly recognised human to human transmission.)

The linked article says:

The WHO kept incorrectly repeating that (a) Covid-19 could not be transmitted from human to human and subsequently that (b) international air travel out of and into China was safe, nearly two months after researchers had found that both these propositions were false.

Not clear which two months was meant. But surely not back to 10th November 2019?

Possibly the tweet which reported the Chinese research?

But through the rest of January there was increasing concern and evidence of human to human transmission in WHO publications.

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I fully agree with your assessment and have been reading some of these bulletins . The WHO was not derlict in its mandate. Every day in January they were identifying potential health risks in bulletins
The first point in the 10th. January was that the initial paragraphs were sketching the known facts from 31st December, and by that stage nobody had died. The review basically said we don't yet know the mode of transmission. No care worker has yet fallen ill, so human to human transmission is not yet proven. They would obviously have been looking for parasites or gas leaks as well. By 24th January they were saying that person to person transmission was occurring because health personnel had become infected. What they were still coming to grips with was "When" was the person infective...Even 16 days later, 31 January, the Australian CMO would not accept that people were infective BEFORE symptoms
 
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jonathan.agnew

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no we can't.
Too many of us has one or more Neanderthal genes...
God. Just saw on bbc news thousands of liverpudlians drinking and mixing last night as if theres never been a pandemic. And being angry at the government. Clearly we are a special kind of Neanderthal who need simple instructions that are enforced. But it's a bit late for that so it's going to have to be aversive conditioning (thousands of deaths until the penny drops for boris and the electorate).
 
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God. Just saw on bbc news thousands of liverpudlians drinking and mixing last night as if theres never been a pandemic. And being angry at the government. Clearly we are a special kind of Neanderthal who need simple instructions that are enforced. But it's a bit late for that so it's going to have to be aversive conditioning (thousands of deaths until the penny drops for boris and the electorate).
Liverpool is a special case. They are professional victims. It won’t be their fault when they start dying. They will find someone or something to blame and take to court.

I saw some images from Newcastle the other day. It depicted their “young ladies” falling out of pubs at 10:00 pm covered in sick & lying in the streets with their flanges exhibited. Of course, this too is the fault of the government.

The government has been appalling throughout, but so has a big section of the public.
 

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God. Just saw on bbc news thousands of liverpudlians drinking and mixing last night as if theres never been a pandemic. And being angry at the government. Clearly we are a special kind of Neanderthal who need simple instructions that are enforced. But it's a bit late for that so it's going to have to be aversive conditioning (thousands of deaths until the penny drops for boris and the electorate).
As a high-end Neanderthal myself, I resent that accusation!

Probably their Denisovan inter-breeding...
 

jonathan.agnew

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As a high-end Neanderthal myself, I resent that accusation!

Probably their Denisovan inter-breeding...
Well yes, as a neurotic homo heidelbergensis/erectus/sapiens hybrid I'm also familiar with feeling resentful. But the snag is mother nature doesn't give a ****, and punishes evolutionary mistakes regardless.
 

jonathan.agnew

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Liverpool is a special case. They are professional victims. It won’t be their fault when they start dying. They will find someone or something to blame and take to court.

I saw some images from Newcastle the other day. It depicted their “young ladies” falling out of pubs at 10:00 pm covered in sick & lying in the streets with their flanges exhibited. Of course, this too is the fault of the government.

The government has been appalling throughout, but so has a big section of the public.
It does remind me of brexit. A match made in hell. A limited populist boris meeting a similar electorate. If one didn't care one could think it's a logical consequence.
 

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God. Just saw on bbc news thousands of liverpudlians drinking and mixing last night as if theres never been a pandemic. And being angry at the government. Clearly we are a special kind of Neanderthal who need simple instructions that are enforced. But it's a bit late for that so it's going to have to be aversive conditioning (thousands of deaths until the penny drops for boris and the electorate).
Not just t'up north - getting beyond edicts & enforceability

PECKHAM HIGH STREET SEES IMPROMPTU CRICKET MATCH AFTER BARS CLOSE AT 10PM

 
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Not just t'up north - getting beyond edicts & enforceability

PECKHAM HIGH STREET SEES IMPROMPTU CRICKET MATCH AFTER BARS CLOSE AT 10PM

This is easy to enforce. All the police need to do is collect and record the names of the people acting in this way. It’s easily done. No need to get all of them every night, just as many as practicable.

Those who have had their name taken can then be disqualified from any pandemic state aid such as furlough. If they aren’t going to join the team taking on and trying to control this virus, then the team shouldn’t support them.
 
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I can imagine Priti Patel getting down & dirty after dark with a pen, paper & a clipboard, though the people of SE15 are only fulfilling their patriotic duty getting bladdered in the name of saving the economy. Boris probably regets selling off his anti-riot water cannons engines for scrap.



PP rounding up the usual suspects.
 
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flecc

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This is easy to enforce. All the police need to do is collect and record the names of the people acting in this way. It’s easily done. No need to get all of them every night, just as many as practicable.

Those who have had their name taken can then be disqualified from any pandemic state aid such as furlough. If they aren’t going to join the team taking on and trying to control this virus, then the team shouldn’t support them.
That's not how we do things.

Our way is that the local police form a team to take on these players in a friendly match, all done in the name of good community relations.
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Barry Shittpeas

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That's not how we do things.

Our way is that the local police form a team to take on these players in a friendly match, all done in the name of good community relations.
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It doesn’t work though. If you give people a bit of slack they take the ****.

Withdrawal of all Coronavirus financial support if they won’t support the fight to find a way through this would be a fair tactic. Money always has a strong influence.
 

jonathan.agnew

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It doesn’t work though. If you give people a bit of slack they take the ****.

Withdrawal of all Coronavirus financial support if they won’t support the fight to find a way through this would be a fair tactic. Money always has a strong influence.
We're a democracy. We allow citizens to smoke, drink, self actualize, cost the nhs millions. Hell, we even allow them to vote for brexit and boris. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
 
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As said, that is not our way. We are not Orientals.
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As you say flecc were not like them, that's we have the pox and they don't :)

Anyone see our friend Kim over in N Korea, not a mask in sight. That's because they shut every door that was open and kept covid out unlike us who were letting in 15,000 a day while the scientists said it made no difference.
 
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flecc

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As you say flecc were not like them, that's we have the pox and they don't :)

Anyone see our friend Kim over in N Korea, not a mask in sight. That's because they shut every door that was open and kept covid out unlike us who were letting in 15,000 a day while the scientists said it made no difference.
Indeed, we made the sensible choice.
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flecc

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I agree, just like Brexit and a Tory Gov the perfect triumvirate :)
No, I actually did mean sensible.

We know enougn now to know that it is highly contagious and it constantly mutates.

Ergo, an effective vaccine against it is unlikely and delivered to the whole world population even more unlikely, and the infection will eventually reach everyone, everywhere, even in North Korea.

That means all of us who can cetch it will eventually, so might as well get it over with, giving us a chance of developing immunity over time. Meanwhile, instead of flogging a vaccine dead horse, we can develop medicines to alleviate Covid symptoms, just as we've done for so many other conditions we can't cure.
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