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oyster

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Ooops...

Donald Trump and first lady Melania test positive for coronavirus

Aide Hope Hicks contracted virus and had accompanied president to debate on Tuesday and Minnesota rally on Wednesday
 

oldgroaner

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Australian shut down Melbourne with just 17 confirmed corona infections.

They are the emperors new clothes. Every government must out do each other in the name of covid.

it reminds me of the BSE crisis. But this is that on steroids.

this isn’t the plague.

the scandal is what happened to the care homes. But the inquiry into this won’t finish till 2030. Hancock and the scientists will be long gone by then.

its a farce.

Sick people who could have been cured will die because we are protecting 80 year olds with pre existing conditions.

sorry you are 31 with cancer but we can’t treat you. Covid. Had a stroke and 59? Soz. We can’t help you. Covid. Heart condition at 48? Can you come back in a year?

******* joke.
Sorry fingers bu there is a little saying that exemplifies the sort of logic you are expounding

"If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs
Then clearly you have no idea of the seriousness of the situation."

What is needed isn't just to deny the threat of Covid, but to organise so that there is minimum disruption to all the other treatments that are required for those suffering
And your scornful attitude towards the human flotsam and jetsam

"Sick people who could have been cured will die because we are protecting 80 year olds with pre existing conditions."

pretty much sums up that some of your generation are pretty poor examples of selfish humanity seeking a scapegoat to avoid any personal loss or inconvenience.
Man up fingers! as your voted for leaders would say
We are all in this together
Elderly lives matter too, sunshine!
When you are old you may even agree
 

oldgroaner

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Ooops...

Donald Trump and first lady Melania test positive for coronavirus

Aide Hope Hicks contracted virus and had accompanied president to debate on Tuesday and Minnesota rally on Wednesday
This is terrible news, it has crossed species from Homo Sapiens to Homo dysfunctional-non sapiens now.
It must be working down the food chain, vegetables will be contracting it next.
Must check my onions :cool:
 

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The Donald has caught Coronavirus. Don’t wish to be a doom monger, but the outcome for him could be poor. He looks like he has a few risk enhancing factors.
Having watched the replay of the debate, and listened to some of the analysis from the GoP side, where there is now genuine concern as to whether he could win, I am cynical that this might be yet another ploy. What better way of removing him from public view, cancelling the next debate than this?. A miraculous recovery after three weeks in the tomb (yes I know the last time it was 3 days, but he is 2000 years older now), would do wonders for his base.
 

oyster

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Having watched the replay of the debate, and listened to some of the analysis from the GoP side, where there is now genuine concern as to whether he could win, I am cynical that this might be yet another ploy. What better way of removing him from public view, cancelling the next debate than this?. A miraculous recovery after three weeks in the tomb (yes I know the last time it was 3 days, but he is 2000 years older now), would do wonders for his base.
Ideal opportunity to test hydroxychloroquine (with or without antibiotics). :)

Come to think of it, he already claimed to have taken that for a while. So this undermines any possible claims that it stops you getting Covid-19.
 

jonathan.agnew

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Interest rates are low globally, it’s not a U.K. government thing. We’d have seen similar rates under Corbyn.

Houses are just as affordable now as they were when I bought my first home. The only difference is that young people are generally weak and lack the resolve and determination to go without in order to buy a house. In stead of spunking money on cars, holidays to find myself, alcohol and other needless garbage I invested, went without and worked hard.

Now they are behaving in a similar fashion with regards to Coronavirus. The ******* idiot next door to one of my tenants had a hot-tub party at the peak of lockdown.

No sympathy for them. All they are doing with their idiot behaviour is driving rents and property prices up, which suits me.

Professional victim city Liverpool are now bleating because they’ve got high levels of Coronavirus and it’s wrecking their local economy. What do the ***** expect? Just a few weeks ago they were packing the streets and launching fireworks at their most iconic building in order to celebrate a football match. Apparently, sales of hair perming solution and moustache dye have dropped of a cliff edge.
Where do I start? Take the Donald. Your conservative hero. Self evidently his alleged covid isnt only the result of being infected by his feckless 30 year old communications manager. His stupidity and carelessness is beyond comparison. Nor did he buy his first house. In fact, considering his mentality and character, he's the best argument there is for not blaming the younger generation for the mess the worlds in. And he's a lovely responsible chap compared to boris.
 

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oyster

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what I find the most irritating and idiotic from the Donald is he equates the economy with the stock market.
I've never done that comparison. Each time he says or does another thing that is awful, it just gets added to the list - not compared and contrasted with the other awful things. :)

Now I have been nudged to do so, his existence is quite possibly the worst thing about him.
 

oldgroaner

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I've never done that comparison. Each time he says or does another thing that is awful, it just gets added to the list - not compared and contrasted with the other awful things. :)

Now I have been nudged to do so, his existence is quite possibly the worst thing about him.
A friend of mind afflicted with religious beliefs opined that the Existence of Trump and Johnson was highly suggestive of one thing

Since the introduction of insecticides and GM crops God had lost faith in the efficacy of locusts.
:cool:
 

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You must be joking. When did you buy your first home?
He isn't. Although I'm opposed to most of Barry's views, he could well be right here.

I bought my first home at the end of 1960, deposit was 25%, the morgtage was 5.3 times salary and was at 6.5%. That was a bungalow for my parents, I had no intention of living there since my own plans on where I was going to settle weren't decided, so I was renting nearer where I worked.

Seven years later I bought my small flat, all I wanted. Thankfully the deposit was only 5%, leaving it at 4.2 times salary, but because I was already lumbered with one full mortage and mortages were very difficult get to get back then, my only option was a commercial mortgage through the Property Owners Building Society. That was at 9%, so the mortgage payments were well over those for the bungalow.

Nobody has paid mortgage rates remotely like those for decades, there's been many assisted purchase schemes which never existed in the past and there are areas with low house prices, compared with the premium ones.

Where Barry is most right is that young people are not prepared to sacrifice to achieve these days. Each of those first two property purchases I made both took immense sacrifice for a while on my part, living at barely existence levels. I even ran out of food one Christmas holiday period.

Many more young people could have got on the property ladder now by similar harsh self deprivation for several initial years with an eye on their future as he and I did each time, but they won't. They want to be able to continue running a car or using public transport instead of walking or riding a bike, buy high end i-Phones or Galaxies, wear branded fashion clothes instead of buying off market stalls and other low cost sources, get fast food delivered because they are too lazy to learn how to cook good but low cost food.

That's their foolish choice, to end up later in life when less able to cope with ever increasing rent, poor living standards and often no more car ownership.

The wiser choice Barry and I made was the opposite, in my case 30 years of early retirement so far with an income far in excess of outgoings, living in more luxury than most without ever having to look at a price before buying and owning six new cars paid for by cash during that 30 years.

Ironically in the present discussion context, perhaps a bit like Covid-19. Take the hit early to benefit substantially later!
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I have created a basic design for the border in the attached image, and I am proposing a border wall similar to what you would normally find in a swimming pool separating the lanes - except that this will be made out of a better quality plastic that is covered in a special adhesive that makes boats stick to it. Something like Bostik but a lot stronger.

I would probably need to hire a couple of hovercrafts to get it installed. This has been factored into the cost.

In the event that an illegal vessel comes into contact with it, it would remain stuck in place until the French navy arrives to rescue them, and if enough boats get stuck to it in one go, the whole thing could simply be towed back to the French coast.

I know that you are all asking the same question - what happens to all of the legitimate boats trying to cross the sea?

My solution would be a special gap in the middle of the border that can be opened and closed by a border guard on duty, something like you get outside a nightclub where the bouncer unclips it to allow people in before closing it again.
 

oyster

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I have created a basic design for the border in the attached image, and I am proposing a border wall similar to what you would normally find in a swimming pool separating the lanes - except that this will be made out of a better quality plastic that is covered in a special adhesive that makes boats stick to it. Something like Bostik but a lot stronger.

I would probably need to hire a couple of hovercrafts to get it installed. This has been factored into the cost.

In the event that an illegal vessel comes into contact with it, it would remain stuck in place until the French navy arrives to rescue them, and if enough boats get stuck to it in one go, the whole thing could simply be towed back to the French coast.

I know that you are all asking the same question - what happens to all of the legitimate boats trying to cross the sea?

My solution would be a special gap in the middle of the border that can be opened and closed by a border guard on duty, something like you get outside a nightclub where the bouncer unclips it to allow people in before closing it again.
The comments section is worth a glance. :)
 

jonathan.agnew

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I have created a basic design for the border in the attached image, and I am proposing a border wall similar to what you would normally find in a swimming pool separating the lanes - except that this will be made out of a better quality plastic that is covered in a special adhesive that makes boats stick to it. Something like Bostik but a lot stronger.

I would probably need to hire a couple of hovercrafts to get it installed. This has been factored into the cost.

In the event that an illegal vessel comes into contact with it, it would remain stuck in place until the French navy arrives to rescue them, and if enough boats get stuck to it in one go, the whole thing could simply be towed back to the French coast.

I know that you are all asking the same question - what happens to all of the legitimate boats trying to cross the sea?

My solution would be a special gap in the middle of the border that can be opened and closed by a border guard on duty, something like you get outside a nightclub where the bouncer unclips it to allow people in before closing it again.
Perhaps we could get really enthusiastic brexiteers with floating devices to hold hands in an orderly line mid channel while singing rule britannia? It would solve our unemployment problems and 18 million people holding hands must be enough to cover the length of la mange
 

Nev

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The Donald has caught Coronavirus. Don’t wish to be a doom monger, but the outcome for him could be poor. He looks like he has a few risk enhancing factors.
He will be fine, a White House spokesperson has just reported that POTUS has just been placed onto a I.V. drip consisting of industrial strength bleach. He has also had a 2 kw U.V. light stuck up his jacksy so they think within a day or two he will be running around the West Wing like a hyper active 3 year old.
 

Danidl

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He isn't. Although I'm opposed to most of Barry's views, he could well be right here.

I bought my first home at the end of 1960, deposit was 25%, the morgtage was 5.3 times salary and was at 6.5%. That was a bungalow for my parents, I had no intention of living there since my own plans on where I was going to settle weren't decided, so I was renting nearer where I worked.

Seven years later I bought my small flat, all I wanted. Thankfully the deposit was only 5%, leaving it at 4.2 times salary, but because I was already lumbered with one full mortage and mortages were very difficult get to get back then, my only option was a commercial mortgage through the Property Owners Building Society. That was at 9%, so the mortgage payments were well over those for the bungalow.

Nobody has paid mortgage rates remotely like those for decades, there's been many assisted purchase schemes which never existed in the past and there are areas with low house prices, compared with the premium ones.

Where Barry is most right is that young people are not prepared to sacrifice to achieve these days. Each of those first two property purchases I made both took immense sacrifice for a while on my part, living at barely existence levels. I even ran out of food one Christmas holiday period.

Many more young people could have got on the property ladder now by similar harsh self deprivation for several initial years with an eye on their future as he and I did each time, but they won't. They want to be able to continue running a car or using public transport instead of walking or riding a bike, buy high end i-Phones or Galaxies, wear branded fashion clothes instead of buying off market stalls and other low cost sources, get fast food delivered because they are too lazy to learn how to cook good but low cost food.

That's their foolish choice, to end up later in life when less able to cope with ever increasing rent, poor living standards and often no more car ownership.

The wiser choice Barry and I made was the opposite, in my case 30 years of early retirement so far with an income far in excess of outgoings, living in more luxury than most without ever having to look at a price before buying and owning six new cars paid for by cash during that 30 years.

Ironically in the present discussion context, perhaps a bit like Covid-19. Take the hit early to benefit substantially later!
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As a comedian recently put it when asked why he was spending 3 quid on designer coffees rather than buying a house ... Well all the 3 quid houses were gone. When we got our first house in 1979, we did not have carpets or flooring .. except the concrete and a woodstain on the upstairs plywood for a year. My father and mother gave us the cot . After the year, I could afford cork tiles to put on the kitchen DIY of course, and then DIY mahogany parquet panels glued to the concrete in the front room.
I look with envy at how finished my sons house was when he moved in.
 

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