Brexit, for once some facts.

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he made a good bet, he knew how his conservative party's members are going to vote, they are the ones that matter as far as his career is concerned - Cameron lost, the conservative party adored him since and still do.
 
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he made a good bet, he knew how his conservative party's members are going to vote, they are the ones that matter as far as his career is concerned - Cameron lost, the conservative party adored him since and still do.
One's career interests are one thing.

A politician aiming to become PM putting his personal career knowingly before his certain belief in his country's best interest is quite another.

It's about as low as anyone can stoop. In a word, treason.
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One's career interests are one thing.

A politician aiming to become PM putting his personal career knowingly before his certain belief in his country's best interest is quite another.

It's about as low as anyone can stoop. In a word, treason.
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Not if one believes & le Etat est Moi " .. as all true narcissist believe
 

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Has anyone even for a microsecond given any thought to the political ramifications of such a move, never mind that human and financial costs involved?
We are ruled by imbeciles
 
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Sherryl Jacobs in the Telegraph
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The selfish hypocrisy of champagne lockdownism is demolishing our society
 
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Reports of a field of "U" turns ahead Captain!
In the Express
EU to take legal action against UK for breach of international law - Brexit deal in chaos
BRUSSELS will formally open legal proceedings against Britain today over an alleged breach of the Withdrawal Agreement signed up to by Boris Johnson.
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Has anyone even for a microsecond given any thought to the political ramifications of such a move, never mind that human and financial costs involved?
We are ruled by imbeciles
Are these the ones retired by Seaborne Freight?

(Obviously not. As they never had any and went bust a while ago. But the thought hit me immediately.)

An asylum for Grayling? Or the whole government?

You can imagine these retired ferries being embarked in the UK then surreptitiously sailed to St Helena, Ascension, PNG or wherever... Plot a course near Somalia and we''ll never hear of them again.

(Some stories just seem to want to conflate with others.)
 
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One's career interests are one thing.

A politician aiming to become PM putting his personal career knowingly before his certain belief in his country's best interest is quite another.

It's about as low as anyone can stoop. In a word, treason.
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Back in 2016, BJ may have genuinely believed that the UK held all the cards and that the EU needs a deal with us much more than us them.
On the face of it, we buy more from them, are net contributor to their budget, military might, research and development etc..
It's only now that reality is somewhat sub-optimal as he would say.
 
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Back in 2016, BJ may have genuinely believed that the UK held all the cards and that the EU needs a deal with us much more than us them.
What he had to say about the EU prior to Cameron announcing a referendum consistently indicated strong support for our membership.

That only changed for the referendum when it became an issue for his future prospects vis a vis Cameron. That's when he hung on, refusing to state his position until the moment Cameron declared for Remain, then instantly declaring for Leave. Johnson wouldn't have cared if it had been the opposite way, that's how utterly unprincipled he is.
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Has anyone even for a microsecond given any thought to the political ramifications of such a move, never mind that human and financial costs involved?
We are ruled by imbeciles
But Australia has got away with it of course, criticised but not punished in any way.

They indefinitely totally isolate all illegal attempt entrants in what amounts to detention centres on offshore islands or remote onshore locations. Internationally it's recognised as punishment for trying to enter and Australia admits it's meant to be a deterrent, but they haven't suffered any sanctions for what clearly breaches UN recognised human rights.
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Reports of a field of "U" turns ahead Captain!
In the Express
EU to take legal action against UK for breach of international law - Brexit deal in chaos
BRUSSELS will formally open legal proceedings against Britain today over an alleged breach of the Withdrawal Agreement signed up to by Boris Johnson.
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This was obvious. Basically the UK gets a month to respond formally , but in the meanwhile the EU continues to negotiate, but will not sign off anything. Then things get dirty in December.
 

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This was obvious. Basically the UK gets a month to respond formally , but in the meanwhile the EU continues to negotiate, but will not sign off anything. Then things get dirty in December.
Leaving plenty of time to make sure everything is working beautifully for 01/01/2021.
 

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But Australia has got away with it of course, criticised but not punished in any way.

They indefinitely totally isolate all illegal attempt entrants in what amounts to detention centres on offshore islands or remote onshore locations. Internationally it's recognised as punishment for trying to enter and Australia admits it's meant to be a deterrent, but they haven't suffered any sanctions for what clearly breaches UN recognised human rights.
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Govt just resurrecting plans for what worked well in the past... I sense the hand of 'Good ol' days' Rees-Mogg in all this

 

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Has anyone even for a microsecond given any thought to the political ramifications of such a move, never mind that human and financial costs involved?
We are ruled by imbeciles
Good idea. There is an accommodation crisis in this country. People who have lived here since birth are unable to access accommodation. The French, in joint enterprise with people trafficking gangs l, are smuggling more and more people into the U.K. and they are accessing the accommodation ahead of those who have lived and worked here since birth.

The people crossing the channel on boats are not refugees. The U.K. needs to become an unattractive proposition for them and the ferry idea is the first step towards that goal.
 

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But Australia has got away with it of course, criticised but not punished in any way.

They indefinitely totally isolate all illegal attempt entrants in what amounts to detention centres on offshore islands or remote onshore locations. Internationally it's recognised as punishment for trying to enter and Australia admits it's meant to be a deterrent, but they haven't suffered any sanctions for what clearly breaches UN recognised human rights.
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Australia’s robust action has worked. It’s a very popular policy with Aussies. I’d like to see the U.K. adopt a similar approach.

If I tried to illegally enter another country with the expectation of free accommodation, I don’t see how I could complain if the host country didn’t like it and put measures in place to stop me entering illegally.

Can’t see why people are getting a cock-stand over this.
 
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People who have lived here since birth are unable to access accommodation.
Do you only take British passport holders?



The two Assured Shorthold Tenancies I’ve renewed since March have yielded a 17 and 20 % rent rise. The demand for rented accommodation is very high. I’ve found tenants within a few days on both.
I re-let a property during July and easily got an extra 15%.
I had a tenant tell me he was leaving at the end of June, so I’ve advertised the house with a 10% increase in rent and had 27
 

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Good idea. There is an accommodation crisis in this country. People who have lived here since birth are unable to access accommodation. The French, in joint enterprise with people trafficking gangs l, are smuggling more and more people into the U.K. and they are accessing the accommodation ahead of those who have lived and worked here since birth.

The people crossing the channel on boats are not refugees. The U.K. needs to become an unattractive proposition for them and the ferry idea is the first step towards that goal.
A few pages ago you were proclaiming how good it was to be able to rent out your buy to let's to eu (polish I believe) citizens, how much more money you make. If you're going to be hypocritical, try to make it a bit less visible. Also, that old fake news chestnut of immigrants taking our jobs and houses and gp appointments (so popular amongst benefit cheating plumbers, tax avoiders and other proud conservative xenophobes) is so stale farage does not even try to use it anymore
 

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