Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

I think they try to protect the NHS from collapsing under Covid admissions and a few billions go inevitably to friends of people in the right places.

If instead of hysteria they'd just stayed calm like the Swedes, we wouldn't have had seven unwanted and not needed Nightingale hospitals. Our young would still have had their uninterrupted education. There wouldn't have been huge and largely unnecessary wage subsidies paid out. And all for no gain.

But now they're about to make the same mistake again with Rishi Sunak about to make another vast payout. Truly some people never learn.
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[Danidl]

Great flu jab service from my local doctor's surgery. The group practice web site said flu jabs would commence November, but that's far too late. So I phoned the local surgery of the practice and they said they were conducting walk-ins, so if I could get down by 12 noon i could have one today.

So I did that immediately and found they had a table outside on the forecourt with all the goodies and two masked staff. So mask on, jacket off, jab in and away in seconds with next person arriving and another approaching a short distance away.

An example of "get it done" efficiency the rest of the NHS really needs to follow.
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We have tended to use a DIY service. We get the syringes from the Pharmacy , bring then home. Usually a son with Nursing training does the honours, but on occasions ,I have done myself.

 

[flecc]

We have tended to use a DIY service. We get the syringes from the Pharmacy , bring then home. Usually a son with Nursing training does the honours, but on occasions ,I have done myself.

I'm very much in favour of that and would be happy to inject myself, but the nanny state mentality here is so strong I suspect it would never be permitted.

The reductions in the outdoor service I had were amusing though, probably for anti Covid reasons.

No antiseptic wipe, just needle straight in. Then no cotton wool and surgical tape or plaster, just needle out and off you go.

So some 50 years of prior practice were just a waste of time and money!
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[oyster]

We have tended to use a DIY service. We get the syringes from the Pharmacy , bring then home. Usually a son with Nursing training does the honours, but on occasions ,I have done myself.

I am very aware of Pernicious Anaemia - a B12 deficiency disorder which requires B12 injections.

Throughout Covid-19, untold numbers of sufferers have been refused these essential injections. (Frequency is usually 8 or 12 weekly.) Being told no chance or told to take oral B12 - which they simply cannot absorb.

A few have managed to persuade their GPs to allow them to self-inject. A huge relief for the sufferer and relieves the GP of a tedious job.

The irony is that quite a number have been self-injecting for years and only go to the GP to keep their need properly registered on their records.

I'd be perfectly happy to do my own flu vaccination - though I have never previously injected.

 

[flecc]

I'd rather live in a more or less civilised caring society than have more money I wouldn't really know what to do with.

But what is thought of as caring is all too often nothing of the sort but quite the opposite.

For example, preventing those desperate to die due to illness from getting the help necessary to achieve that end.

Deliberately struggling to keep alive new born babies who can never communicate adequately or experience the world, all in the name of a non existent god.
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[oyster]

I'm very much in favour of that and would be happy to inject myself, but the nanny state mentality here is so strong I suspect it would never be permitted.

The reductions in the outdoor service I had were amusing though, probably for anti Covid reasons.

No antiseptic wipe, just needle straight in. Then no cotton wool and surgical tape or plaster, just needle out and off you go.

So some 50 years of prior practice were just a waste of time and money!
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Use of a sterile wipe is highly variable these days. If the skin is generally pretty clean, there is likely little benefit.

 

[oldgroaner]

If instead of hysteria they'd just stayed calm like the Swedes, we wouldn't have had seven unwanted and not needed Nightingale hospitals. Our young would still have had their uninterrupted education. There wouldn't have been huge and largely unnecessary wage subsidies paid out. And all for no gain.

But now they're about to make the same mistake again with Rishi Sunak about to make another vast payout. Truly some people never learn.
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No gain?
Except for a few thousand lives, but then, think of the cost!
And you know what I think of that!
It should have been done earlier rather than not done at all.
And it will be done too late again

 

[jonathan.agnew]

But what is thought of as caring is all too often nothing of the sort but quite the opposite.

For example, preventing those desperate to die due to illness from getting the help necessary to achieve that end.

Deliberately struggling to keep alive new born babies who can never communicate adequately or experience the world, all in the name of a non existent god.
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I agree with much of that (I'd want to be free to choose how and when I exit). But didn't you speak about hawking's valuable meaningful life despite severe disability a few pages ago? Maybe it's all about the struggle. But, staying on topic, in a corrupt cleptocracy like ours one cant exactly say the old and vulnerable's freedoms are being eroded by a government who would dearly love them to go and die quietly (cummings saying it's ok if a few hundred thousand pensioners die at the outbreak comes to mind) while they hive off money in tax havens

 

[flecc]

I'd be perfectly happy to do my own flu vaccination - though I have never previously injected.

I know I would since I've previously dug deep into myself. After a local operation to remove a large skin growth there were several stitches, shown below, which the Doctor thought he'd removed later:


But he hadn't, I could feel two deep under the regrown flesh later, so I probed with a sterilised sewing needle to locate them. Then I heated and formed the end of the needle into hook, probed to hook each stitch in turn to drag it up to the surface, then threading another needle and thread through to keep them accessible. I couldn't remove the stitches myself since the scar was too high on my chest to see under my chin so i did all this in a mirror so would have needed three hands. So then I went back to the Doctor with the cotton threads emerging from my chest (shown below) so I could drag each to the surface for him to grip, cut and remove. His face was a picture when he saw that, and after removing the stitches his comment on my "surgery" was "You're a better surgeon than me".

 

[flecc]

No gain?

Please read what the post was about. It was no gain over Sweden.
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[flecc]

Use of a sterile wipe is highly variable these days. If the skin is generally pretty clean, there is likely little benefit.

Agreed, so as I posted:

So some 50 years of prior practice were just a waste of time and money!
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[jonathan.agnew]

I know I would since I've previously dug deep into myself. After a local operation to remove a large skin growth there were several stitches, shown below, which the Doctor thought he'd removed later:
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But he hadn't I could feel two deep imder the regrown flesh later, so I probed with a sterilised sewing needle to locate them. Then I heated and formed the end of the needle into hook, probed to hook each stitch in turn to drag it up to the surface, then thrreading another neddle and thread through to keep them accessible. I couldn't remove the stitched myself since the scar was too high on my chest to see under my chin so i did all this in a mirror so would have need three hands. So then I wnt back to the Doctor with the cotton threads emerging from my chest (shown below) so i could drag each to the surface for him to grip, cut and remove. His face was a picture when he saw that, and afdter removing th stitched his comment on my "surgery" was "You're a better surgeon than me".

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****. That's a bit like Rambo 1 without the helicopter and the trucks. but a bit ironic in terms of not being forced to suffer?

 

[oldgroaner]

Please read what the post was about. It was no gain over Sweden.
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really? only because we delayed
If it had been applied sooner it would have been much better, these are the figures, we could have been down where the other European nations were .

"The COVID-19 narrative promoted by Carl Heneghan and the Today programme that we should be transitioning to a Sweden-style response is dangerous and wrong. Look at the data. Deaths/100000: UK=62.9, Sweden=57.6, Canada=25.0, Germany=11.3, Denmark=11.0. Sweden is no exemplar."

 

[flecc]

****. That's a bit like Rambo 1 without the helicopter and the trucks. but a bit ironic in terms of not being forced to suffer?

Hardly suffering, try reading my account of my requested open abdomen operation without general anaesthetic on this link
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[flecc]

really? only because we delayed
If it had been applied sooner it would have been much better, these are the figures, we could have been down where the other European nations were .

Yes, a what if, I post about what is.
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[RossG]

It's interesting that Sweden keeps getting mentioned and what a good example they are, we're Brits and we didn't behave like them hence we got hit harder. We are about to be hit just as hard again it seems, and for sure come winter people will go and sit on the beach in the snow just because Boris say's don't.

How great to be in England now that covid-19 is here, Browning may well have said

 

[oyster]

It's interesting that Sweden keeps getting mentioned and what a good example they are, we're Brits and we didn't behave like them hence we got hit harder. We are about to be hit just as hard again it seems, and for sure come winter people will go and sit on the beach in the snow just because Boris say's don't.

How great to be in England now that covid-19 is here, Browning may well have said

Far more likely to be on the beach in the snow here in Wales than ever I was in England.

 

[RossG]

Far more likely to be on the beach in the snow here in Wales than ever I was in England.

Yeah, he might have said that too ..

 

[oyster]

The E&W exposure app is now available.

Phenomenal publicity it has received - so far none that I have seen except a US site!

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Happy App Day everyone.

Who’s downloaded the NHS Covid-19 App then? I suppose you can’t reply if you have because your phone battery will have been drained. It’s a bit like saying, put your hand up if you are not here.

I agree, it’s a very low key launch, hardly any publicity. Wonder why?