Brexit, for once some facts.

[daveboy]

Watch this space....if the French don't retain fishing rights in UK waters they will blockade
UK ports or just carry on fishing.......illegally. Remember when they set light to live sheep on trucks from the UK in the 1990's.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Watch this space....if the French don't retain fishing rights in UK waters they will blockade
UK ports or just carry on fishing.......illegally. Remember when they set light to live sheep on trucks from the UK in the 1990's.

I thought we were the ones making inane threats and breaking international law?

 

[jonathan.agnew]

The French are doing it as we type messages to each other, but not a word of condemnation.

And reese mogg is referring to concern over covid testing shortages as "carping" as we type (bbc). I am more - profoundly - ashamed to live in a country with a tory government like the one we have than I think I have ever felt over any other national issue

 

[Danidl]

What's with this sudden bout of patriotism? The last time I checked it took most of the great empire fleet (and considerable luck)to subdue the bismarck

Hello!!. ..look at my address. British jingoism is not in my DNA. The point about fleets is that the British had one, the Germans had a few (powerful) ships.

 

[Wicky]

Nice try, but they, “don’t just happen” to find them at sea. The French authorities have been filmed escorting the inflatable boats from the shoreline and staying with them until they reach British waters. They clear off once that objective has been completed.

If the French were anything like a decent and honourable nation, they would abide by international law, prevent people risking their lives by attempting the crossing and process the people in the first safe nation they arrived in, ie France. But they won’t and they don’t, so let’s hear some condemnation and see some action.

Is that you Nigel? Are you back on patrol at Dover with a telephoto lens...

 

[Wicky]

The US nabbed him at the first opportunity

Not quite -- it took American scientists to pursuade politicians to put Operation Paperclip into action (initially it was called Operation Overcast - just to hold and interview German aerospace engineers) Then when Russians became problematic the knowledge and expertise of individuals became more appreciated and needed as a way of accelerating various techs and to stop them getting poached. It took a couple of years to also allow their families to move over.

Before his official approval of the program, President Truman, for sixteen months, was indecisive on the program. Years later in 1963, Truman recalled that he was not in the least reluctant to approve Paperclip; that because of relations with Russia "this had to be done and was done".

 

[RossG]

It had been decided that Von Braun would go to the US six months before the war ended ! It had nothing to do with pressure from the scientific community. The US Gov nabbed thousands of Nazi scientists before anyone else got their hands on them just to further their own interests, the fact that they were compliant with a regime that used concentration camp victims for slave labour in building test sites seemed to pass the US by.

 

[Woosh]

Watch this space....if the French don't retain fishing rights in UK waters they will blockade
UK ports or just carry on fishing.......illegally. Remember when they set light to live sheep on trucks from the UK in the 1990's.

pure speculations.
The only area French fishermen care about access is around Bay St Michel.
They fish there for centuries.
But now UK claim EEZ around the Channel Islands.
I am pretty convinced that France will retain access of that area and UK would keep the North Sea EEZ.

 

[Wicky]

It had been decided that Von Braun would go to the US six months before the war ended !

Sure about that? He was for sure wanted for interrogation and wasn't captured until early May 45 and approval for his transfer to US was until late June 45. Only after the war ended were US politicians pursuaded to expand the taking of German specialists due to fear of losing them to the Ruskies.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) established the first secret recruitment program, called Operation Overcast, on 20 July 1945

In a secret directive circulated on 3 September 1946, President Truman approved Operation Paperclip and expanded it to include one thousand German scientists under “temporary, limited military custody”

By 1947 this evacuation operation had netted an estimated 1,800 technicians and scientists, along with 3,700 family members. Those with special skills or knowledge were taken to detention and interrogation centers, such as one code-named DUSTBIN, to be held and interrogated, in some cases for months.

Osenberg List

The list was eventually found by the Allies in a University of Bonn toilet in March 1945. Someone had tried to flush it down the toilet. A soldier found it, he gave it to his commanding officer and it wound up in the hands of scientific intelligence teams. So that list became incredibly important to Paperclip, and most of the scientists culled by the Americans over the next decade were part of that list.

Initially each scientist was offered a one-year contract to work for the US government; in August 1945, 127 men accepted this and moved to the US. The movement of the scientists and their families started in September 1945.

 

[oyster]

What's with this sudden bout of patriotism? The last time I checked it took most of the great empire fleet (and considerable luck)to subdue the bismarck

You should have watched Battle of the River Plate rather than Sinking the Bismarck.

Didn't need so many ships to achieve the result.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

It had been decided that Von Braun would go to the US six months before the war ended ! It had nothing to do with pressure from the scientific community. The US Gov nabbed thousands of Nazi scientists before anyone else got their hands on them just to further their own interests, the fact that they were compliant with a regime that used concentration camp victims for slave labour in building test sites seemed to pass the US by.

It was only a bit of genocide. If you’ve got the right quals, it doesn’t really matter. People look the other way.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I really don't understand why you are having so many problems with the government you voted into power

Faced with Corbyn and his entourage of Jew hating screeching hysterical lunatics, I'd vote Johnson in again today. Thankfully Corby has gone and a credible opposition is starting to form.

 

[oldgroaner]

Faced with Corbyn and his entourage of Jew hating screeching hysterical lunatics, I'd vote Johnson in again today. Thankfully Corby has gone and a credible opposition is starting to form.

Then you are an even bigger fool than I took you for .

Jew Hating? because he objects to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians?

Propaganda that's straight out of the Daily Mail and Express, and as to hysterical lunatics, the lot you voted in are far worse, and corrupt as hell too.
What kind of thinking is going on when playing hell about their actions and behavior, yet professing you would vote for them again?

You have a serious problem with target recognition, don't you? or perhaps suffer from masochism.

 

[oldgroaner]

It was only a bit of genocide. If you’ve got the right quals, it doesn’t really matter. People look the other way.

Hence we keep getting Conservative governments despite deaths among the poor, old and ill.

 

[oldgroaner]

You should have watched Battle of the River Plate rather than Sinking the Bismarck.

Didn't need so many ships to achieve the result.

All it took was a con trick buying supplies for a fictional fleet coming up fast!

 

[oldgroaner]

Watch this space....if the French don't retain fishing rights in UK waters they will blockade
UK ports or just carry on fishing.......illegally. Remember when they set light to live sheep on trucks from the UK in the 1990's.

The reason they get brassed off is they have already bought the quotas to fish the area from the British ship owners, and in any case our fleet is old, knackered and uneconomic, which is why the British owners sold off the quotas.
look at it this way if we win
The British boat owners will do exactly the same thing and sell off the quotas again
Money for nothing and the fish comes free!
Doesn't help the Fishermen or create new jobs, does it? just makes more Tories richer

 

[RossG]

Sure about that? He was for sure wanted for interrogation and wasn't captured until early May 45 and approval for his transfer to US was until late June 45. Only after the war ended were US politicians pursuaded to expand the taking of German specialists due to fear of losing them to the Ruskies.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) established the first secret recruitment program, called Operation Overcast, on 20 July 1945

In a secret directive circulated on 3 September 1946, President Truman approved Operation Paperclip and expanded it to include one thousand German scientists under “temporary, limited military custody”

By 1947 this evacuation operation had netted an estimated 1,800 technicians and scientists, along with 3,700 family members. Those with special skills or knowledge were taken to detention and interrogation centers, such as one code-named DUSTBIN, to be held and interrogated, in some cases for months.

Osenberg List

The list was eventually found by the Allies in a University of Bonn toilet in March 1945. Someone had tried to flush it down the toilet. A soldier found it, he gave it to his commanding officer and it wound up in the hands of scientific intelligence teams. So that list became incredibly important to Paperclip, and most of the scientists culled by the Americans over the next decade were part of that list.

Initially each scientist was offered a one-year contract to work for the US government; in August 1945, 127 men accepted this and moved to the US. The movement of the scientists and their families started in September 1945.

SS-Sturmbannführer Werner Von Braun wasn't captured by the allies he surrendered to them, or rather he got his brother to do it for him. He'd already decided he wanted to work for the other side having been arrested by his own lot for opening his gob about Germany's chances of winning the war a year earlier.
His work on the V2Vergeltungswaffen helped send 60,000 slave labourers to their agonising deaths at Mittelbau-Dora. What should have happened to this animal was having first undergone extraordinary rendition for any useful intelligence he surely would have had, then sent on to Israel to stand trial for war crimes.

 

[oldgroaner]

SS-Sturmbannführer Werner Von Braun wasn't captured by the allies he surrendered to them, or rather he got his brother to do it for him. He'd already decided he wanted to work for the other side having been arrested by his own lot for opening his gob about Germany's chances of winning the war a year earlier.
His work on the V2Vergeltungswaffen helped send 60,000 slave labourers to their agonising deaths at Mittelbau-Dora. What should have happened to this animal was having first undergone extraordinary rendition for any useful intelligence he surely would have had, then sent on to Israel to stand trial for war crimes.

Tom Lehrer had him bang to rights

 

[Fingers]

Barry **** peas seems a relaxed type of guy

 

[Fingers]

In regard to his Francophobic immigration rants.....some MPs have discovered

Home Office 'bases immigration policies on anecdotes and prejudice' – MPs

Public accounts committee report accuses department of ignoring evidence and failing to learn from its mistakes

www.theguardian.com

The public accounts committee said Priti Patel’s department was unaware of the damage caused by policy failures on “both the illegal and legitimate migrant populations”.

Meg Hillier, chair of the committee, said: “The Home Office has frighteningly little grasp of the impact of its activities in managing immigration. It shows no inclination to learn from its numerous mistakes across a swathe of immigration activities – even when it fully accepts that it has made serious errors.