Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

nobody is talking about voiding the WA. Dispute resolutions are there for disputes like those arising from a no deal, where both sides can negotiate on variations to the treaty.
My point is, the UK needed the one year of transition. The EU is interested in long term relationship where its size can give it some advantage. The UK side only wants to start small then see later how the future shapes up.

Whether the WA is as of now voided, is the grist to lawyers mills . But yes that is the potential situation. A significant number of senior Civil Servants and ex PMs are voicing those concerns.
You make a deal with a Chinese company for 1000 bikes complete with a detailed specification. They decide ,for no good reason , and deliver all the bikes now in a bright gay purple..a colour which will not sell, in deepest Somerset rather than the tame pale blues and teals, which was specified. .. Do you pay?. Moreover in your contract ,you had a dispute conciliation process.. in engineering terms Engineering Change Notification, which they never implemented.. because they suspected that you would never sign off on purple bikes . Would you deal with that company again?

 

[oldgroaner]

that may be BJ but I don't think he is interested in that. He only needs to win enough concession for his Canada deal and I think he will get it.
This time, the UK does have more cards than before the WA.

He will only get whatever the EU decides to give him, this latest stunt has nailed the coffin lid down on anything else.

 

[Woosh]

He will only get whatever the EU decides to give him

that is of course true, any free trade deal needs to be approved by all 27 members. That's why I think BJ is right to set a very low bar.
His tactic is shameful and totally unnecessary, but there is no chance that the UK will breach any treaty any time soon.
The EU has interest in doing a deal asap, BJ has only to hold on to his fish until the end of the year and he can claim victory.

 

[oldgroaner]

that is of course true, any free trade deal needs to be approved by all 27 members. That's why I think BJ is right to set a very low bar.
His tactic is shameful and totally unnecessary, but there is no chance that the UK will breach any treaty any time soon.
The EU has interest in doing a deal asap, BJ has only to hold on to his fish until the end of the year and he can claim victory.

And then we can sell the quotas back to the EU just as we do at present.
Everyone wins!

 

[Woosh]

the Canada deal sets a very low bar because it does not include foods.
What BJ hopes for is, if the EU gives him the Canada deal, they may give him his GATT clause 24 for fish.

 

[oyster]

Have we seen AR do PMQ's yet? She was pretty good in some of her television appearances. How she is even better in HoC:

Johnson is set to face the opposition’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, during PMQs while the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, remains in isolation as he waits for a Covid test result for a member of his family.

(Am wondering if Johnson has been wrong-footed - even more - by it not being KS opposite?)

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I see Hitachi has ditched the U.K. and won’t be building us a nuclear power station. Can’t say I blame them. I’d be nervous about dealing with this bunch of clowns.

 

[oldgroaner]

In the New European
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Eurosceptic MEP claims that Brexit was an EU plot and calls for it to be reversed
Having accused the EU of wanting to stop the UK leaving the European Union, Eurosceptics have gone full circle and now claim that Brexit was an EU plot to force the country out.
Pro-Brexit newspaper the Express has carried an interview with Eurosceptic MEP Hans-Olaf Henkel, who claims he is convinced EU countries wanted to force out the UK.

The German politician claimed it was “no accident” that former president Jean-Claude Juncker had “picked a French bureaucrat” for the job.

“I am convinced that French and other forces in Brussels actually wanted Britain to leave as it was always Britain which stood in the way of ‘more Brussels’ and ‘more government’ and ‘The United States of Europe’ and that Barnier, despite his public statements, would see Britain rather leave than stay.

“It is no accident that ex-president Jean-Claude Juncker picked a French bureaucrat for this job.

How's that for a conspiracy theory?

 

[oyster]

In the New European
"
Eurosceptic MEP claims that Brexit was an EU plot and calls for it to be reversed
Having accused the EU of wanting to stop the UK leaving the European Union, Eurosceptics have gone full circle and now claim that Brexit was an EU plot to force the country out.
Pro-Brexit newspaper the Express has carried an interview with Eurosceptic MEP Hans-Olaf Henkel, who claims he is convinced EU countries wanted to force out the UK.

The German politician claimed it was “no accident” that former president Jean-Claude Juncker had “picked a French bureaucrat” for the job.

“I am convinced that French and other forces in Brussels actually wanted Britain to leave as it was always Britain which stood in the way of ‘more Brussels’ and ‘more government’ and ‘The United States of Europe’ and that Barnier, despite his public statements, would see Britain rather leave than stay.

“It is no accident that ex-president Jean-Claude Juncker picked a French bureaucrat for this job.

How's that for a conspiracy theory?

And they were stupid enough to fall for it?

That much, at least, is extremely easy to believe.

 

[RossG]

Have we seen AR do PMQ's yet? She was pretty good in some of her television appearances. How she is even better in HoC:



(Am wondering if Johnson has been wrong-footed - even more - by it not being KS opposite?)

KS is up and running again, no queuing for a covid test when you're a VIP

 

[oldgroaner]

LBC

@LBC
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45m

Angela Rayner makes quip in reference to the Dominic Cummings controversy: 'The next time a man drives from London to Durham, it'll probably be for the next COVID test'

 

[Wicky]

Seaborne Freight handed £14m contract to open more COVID test centres

Prestigious shipping firm Seaborne Freight has been handed £14 million by the Government to open more coronavirus test centres.

www.suffolkgazette.com

 

[oyster]

Rats and sinking ships?

Lord Keen hands in resignation over Boris Johnson's Brexit plan

Ministers reportedly trying to persuade advocate general for Scotland to reverse decision

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

LBC
@LBC
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45m

Angela Rayner makes quip in reference to the Dominic Cummings controversy: 'The next time a man drives from London to Durham, it'll probably be for the next COVID test'

I listened to PMQs and was surprised by how frequently The Lying Yellow Streak of Pi$$ made comparisons between the U.K. testing and that carried out in other European countries. He was claiming that the U.K. does the most testing in Europe.

I didn’t think we were supposed to make comparisons with other countries. We were told to look away when we compared the number of dead. In fact they deleted the death chart from the briefings so we couldn’t see. When did it become ok to look at Europe again?

 

[oyster]

Let's open up sports and have spectators and a few bevvies. Wonderful idea:

New Rhondda Valley restrictions linked to Doncaster Races trip

Steven Morris

A trip to Doncaster Races has been blamed for a cluster of coronavirus cases in the Rhondda Valley, south Wales, as restrictions were tightened severely.
The Welsh government said one of the clusters in the area was associated “with a club outing to the Doncaster races, which stopped off at a series of pubs on the way”.
More than 2,500 spectators were allowed into the first day of the meeting last week.
Other clusters are associated with a rugby club and pub in the lower Rhondda.

 

[Danidl]

the Canada deal sets a very low bar because it does not include foods.
What BJ hopes for is, if the EU gives him the Canada deal, they may give him his GATT clause 24 for fish.

The debacle over the WA bill, will cost the UK dearly if they are looking for financial services cooperation. The speech today by Ursla VdL to the EU Parliament was uncharacteristically forthright.

 

[oldgroaner]

Seaborne Freight handed £14m contract to open more COVID test centres

Prestigious shipping firm Seaborne Freight has been handed £14 million by the Government to open more coronavirus test centres.

www.suffolkgazette.com

The good news

They have plenty of ships they can convert

The bad news

The ships are too deep draft to come into local rivers and are moored offshore

You have to go out them in rubber dinghies

 

[Woosh]

The debacle over the WA bill, will cost the UK dearly if they are looking for financial services cooperation. The speech today by Ursla VdL to the EU Parliament was uncharacteristically forthright.

there is some rumour that BJ will deliver his oven ready brexit deal in the new year and declare his mission accomplished.
He'll save the day and our fish. He'll have vanquished VdL and her EU's bureaucrats.
He will then retire to his well earned pension and leave Gove to unpick the mess.
Gove will retain Cummings to continue his 'reform' of the civil service.

 

[Danidl]

The good news

They have plenty of ships they can convert

The bad news

The ships are too deep draft to come into local rivers and are moored offshore

You have to go out them in rubber dinghies

I am confused, can you not do virtual tests on virtual ships?.

 

[sjpt]

When did it become ok to look at Europe again?

You are only allowed to look at Europe if you are in Dover and can spit 22 miles.