Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Funny how none of our politicians seem to have been recruited within the EU. Oh! Wait. It said "brain drain".

Brexit fuels brain drain as skilled Britons head to the EU

A British-German study uncovers huge changes in migration patterns of UK citizens since 2016 referendum

Brexit has sparked an exodus of economically productive people from the UK to European Union nations on a scale that would normally be expected only as a result of a major economic or political crisis, according to a detailed new study.
Using a combination of official statistics across the EU and in-depth interviews with people living in Germany, the study found huge changes in migration patterns of UK citizens since the 2016 referendum, which contrast with largely stable ones among nationals from the 27 EU states remaining in the bloc.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/02/brexit-fuels-brain-drain-as-skilled-britons-head-to-the-eu

 

[flecc]

Why not get Cummings to do it? he thinks he has a brain (despite evidence to the contrary)

Actually Cummings does have an excellent brain.

He just lacks intelligence, as his Barnard Castle trip showed only too clearly.
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[oldgroaner]

Actually Cummings does have an excellent brain.

He just lacks intelligence, as his Barnard Castle trip showed only too clearly.
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let's be more specific, all humans have excellent brains, and can claim in many cases high intelligence
Few however can master Wisdom, and he clearly isn't one of that elite group.
Neither am I if it comes to that alas,
or I would never have been an engineer

 

[oyster]

I see huge swathes of speculation as to the identity of the alleged tory ex-minister sexual assaulter.

No - I am not intending to post anything which identifies anyone. Just wondering when the name will leak or otherwise appear in public? After all, the other possible candidates (in his fifties, ex-minister, current MP) will have a very strong motivation to have the finger of suspicion removed from them. If nothing else, we can expect the list of possibilities to be whittled down by public denials.

 

[RossG]

Once you have removed the Gay ones from the equation that narrows it down a bit

On the holiday travel thing .. I think they call it 'Disinclination to travel' and is therefore non-insurable, bit of a choker

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I see huge swathes of speculation as to the identity of the alleged tory ex-minister sexual assaulter.

No - I am not intending to post anything which identifies anyone. Just wondering when the name will leak or otherwise appear in public? After all, the other possible candidates (in his fifties, ex-minister, current MP) will have a very strong motivation to have the finger of suspicion removed from them. If nothing else, we can expect the list of possibilities to be whittled down by public denials.

Why hasn’t the name been published? There is no reason not to disclose the suspect’s identity, it happens all the time with non-establishment figures, why should this person be any different?

FFS, they invited the Sky News Helicopter when they busted Cliff Richard's house. Why does this parliamentary **** get special treatment? The name will be common knowledge in 48 hours anyway.

 

[flecc]

Why hasn’t the name been published?

Following several incidences of false allegations and subsequent clearances like the Cliff Richard and Leon Brittan ones, the practice has been changed for most with allegations of sexual crime.

Now it's the norm to initially protect the identity except where the guilt is admitted. In cases where there's considerable doubt it's not unusual for the case to be listed as "Not suitable for media" and the trial held very discreetly with unnamed listing outside the court door to obstruct any attempt at publication.

After all the police have to be considered too, they don't want to be subject to allegations of wrongful arrest etc., or the sort of media storm over their actions with Cliff Richard. They've learnt, albeit too slowly and expensively.
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[RossG]

God I'd love to name some names right now.....

 

[flecc]

God I'd love to name some names right now.....

God already knows them.
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[RossG]

I wonder if you can take a bet on it ?

 

[oyster]

Few however can master Wisdom,

... Grasshopper.

 

[oyster]

Following several incidences of false allegations and subsequent clearances like the Cliff Richard and Leon Brittan ones, the practice has been changed for most with allegations of sexual crime.

In this case, to the extent of him continuing to work as an MP. BBC reports:

The Conservative Party called the allegations "serious".

But it said the MP would not have the party whip withdrawn while the police investigation continued, meaning he can continue to sit in the House of Commons as a Conservative.

Labour said this decision was "shocking" and sent a "terrible message from Westminster".

They removed the whip from Julian Lewis fast enough. Obviously rape is far, far less a crime than upsetting Johnson and Grayling.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I think the Conservative Party and the accused would like to move on now. I believe that’s how it works these days, you just brazenly tough it out and keep saying move along.

 

[flecc]

They removed the whip from Julian Lewis fast enough. Obviously rape is far, far less a crime than upsetting Johnson and Grayling.

As I posted, it's for sexual crimes.

I agree with the secrecy and think it should be total and permanent in every case unless and only if eventually convicted.

The salacious nature of sex crime makes it one the media love to gloat over and exaggerate, making fair trial completely impossible. The more public the figure, the more impossible it is to get fair treatment. The Leon Brittan case was a perfect example, an elderly completely innocent man had his character totally assassinated, yet not a word of apology or retraction from the guilty media.

The time for the media and the vindictive public to enjoy their repulsive desires is upon conviction, and only then.
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[oyster]

As I posted, it's for sexual crimes.

I agree with the secrecy and think it should be total and permanent in every case unless and only if eventually convicted.

The salacious nature of sex crime makes it one the media love to gloat over and exaggerate, making fair trial completely impossible. The more public the figure, the more impossible it is to get fair treatment. The Leon Brittan case was a perfect example, an elderly completely innocent man had his character totally assassinated, yet not a word of apology or retraction from the guilty media.

The time for the media and the vindictive public to enjoy their repulsive desires is upon conviction, and only then.
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I didn't say that he should not be anonymous. But it is next to impossible to see how he will remain anonymous. This is a perpetual problem for anyone who can be even partially identified by their public role. I have no real answers.

 

[flecc]

I didn't say that he should not be anonymous. But it is next to impossible to see how he will remain anonymous. This is a perpetual problem for anyone who can be even partially identified by their public role. I have no real answers.

At present yes, but a partial solution can be making it an offence to publish any details before conviction in the case of any sexually related allegations.

That can be extended across the internet too since crime and punishment charges can be internet wide as has been shown since they are world offences. Guilty people including media ones can be extradited or arrested any time they visit a country.
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[jonathan.agnew]

I wonder if you can take a bet on it ?

Sir cliff probably would, he should have been extradited to Cuba long ago to do duetes with Gary glitter for the contrived evangelical shite he entertains ladies of a certain age with

 

[flecc]

Sir cliff probably would, he should have been extradited to Cuba long ago to do duetes with Gary glitter for the contrived evangelical shite he entertains ladies of a certain age with

There's no such person, Queen Elizabeth II knighted a ficticious person.

Someone named Harry Webb accompanied by his three sisters impersonated that ficticious character for the ceremony, which was almost certainly a crime of misrepresentation.
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[oyster]

At present yes, but a partial solution can be making it an offence to publish any details before conviction in the case of any sexually related allegations.

That can be extended across the internet too since crime and punishment charges can be internet wide as has been shown since they are world offences. Guilty people including media ones can be extradited or arrested any time they visit a country.
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I'd be interested to see, say, People's Daily Online (in China) being successfully sanctioned.

 

[RossG]

There's no such person, Queen Elizabeth II knighted a ficticious person.

Someone named Harry Webb accompanied by his three sisters impersonated that ficticious character for the ceremony, which was almost certainly a crime of misrepresentation.
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Or if you are a true Scot Elizabeth I