Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

I thought this was a joke. People are actually putting time, effort and money into drawing a new badge, whilst simultaneously, tens of thousands are dying unnecessarily because the care system is broken and generally shite.

No joke.

I couldn't find anything more recent than this from 10 May 2020:

Government fail to issue single coronavirus 'badge of honour' promised to UK carers
EXCLUSIVE: Department of Health and Social Care bosses have yet to send any of the CARE pins that Matt Hancock said would help rally the nation behind our carers

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/government-fail-issue-single-coronavirus-22002931

 

[oldgroaner]

This tweet is would you believe form the Leave alliance?
The Leave Alliance @LeaveHQ

These days I'm heavily sceptical of #Brexit and the mess it will surely be, but we are where we are primarily because we had to fight for it three times. Voting in good faith in a referendum wasn't enough. Remainers own this mess as much as the Tories.

No we effing well don't
It's all yours

My reponse

oldgroaner@oldgroaner

Replying to
@LeaveHQ
I recommend sex and travel sunshine, and if you can get one, a brain implant

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I thought this was a joke. People are actually putting time, effort and money into drawing a new badge, whilst simultaneously, tens of thousands are dying unnecessarily because the care system is broken and generally shite.

Be fair. As boris illustrated with the bus (and millions of insincere clappers applauding underpaid immigrant keyworkers dying disproportionately) pretense, hypocrisy (and stupidity) are some of our key values.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

A frail old lady who lives in the village goes into care for approximately one week every month. She phoned me today to say she has Coronavirus, having tested positive last week. The care home routinely test before taking people in and that’s how it was picked up. Strangely, she says she feels absolutely fine, no symptoms whatsoever.

I wonder how many others have had symptomless Coronavirus? I suppose only mass antibody testing would answer that.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I think Bianca Williams should be stripped of her Olympic gold medal on the grounds of gross stupidity, delirium and bandwagonning.

 

[flecc]

It does seem to be the case that the Gov, scientists, those that speak as one with the Gov that is and many other bodies genuinely believe we in the UK have done very well. I don't think they are kidding themselves, they really do believe that to be the case.

They are right of course. By the standards of our performances since about 1950, we've done a perfectly satisfactory job of controlling Covid-19.
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[oldgroaner]

Herd immunity not possible, a vaccine is needed

 

[RossG]

They are right of course. By the standards of our performances since about 1950, we've done a perfectly satisfactory job of controlling Covid-19.
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I suppose when you consider if we had done absolutely nothing at all and just carried on regardless as many as 500.000 could have lost their lives.
Put that way the Gov strategy could be hailed as a huge success, the question that will be asked for evermore and a day is, would it have been an even greater success had it been implemented sooner.

 

[flecc]

Put that way the Gov strategy could be hailed as a huge success, the question that will be asked for evermore and a day is, would it have been an even greater success had it been implemented sooner.

That question is fully answered with the numbers in the radio program I posted. If you listen to the MP3 that I put up for Danidl on this link, you'll hear at two points the sheer scale of the amount of lives that could have been saved.
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[RossG]

Good job you mentioned that flecc I did in fact D/L it. I'll lend an ear to it right now over a cup of tea.

 

[oldgroaner]

Johnson blames care homes for Coronavirus deaths
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-sparks-anger-blaming-22311415?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Tell it to the judge at your trial you imbecile

 

[Danidl]

That question is fully answered with the numbers in the radio program I posted. If you listen to the MP3 that I put up for Danidl on this link, you'll hear at two points the sheer scale of the amount of lives that could have been saved.
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..and much appreciated!.

 

[Danidl]

Herd immunity not possible, a vaccine is needed

Herd immunity works When the vast majority of a population have already been infected . This is an illness which kills about 10% of those identified as infected. So the UK would only start getting herd immunity after 5 M deaths . It beggars belief that this simple fact was not realised., that the reason for herd immunity is that potential resovoirs for infection are reduced.
Just to forestall argument about the 10% figure. This is the figure for the number of people who have been positively identified with the illness and for whom treatment has now ceased. It is currently at about 8 to 9%. It does not include those "cured" but who have life damaging lung or other organ complaints...or who might get a recurrence

 

[oldgroaner]

This is what we desperately need



Brexitshambles
@brexit_sham
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New Zealand bans foreign political donations after warnings of overseas interference'

New Zealand bans foreign political donations after warnings of overseas interference
New Zealand will ban foreign political donations as concerns over outside interference intensify in Wellington ahead of a 2020 election.
telegraph.co.uk
oldgroaner@oldgroaner

Replying to
@brexit_sham
We should demand this becomes law here too, no more Foreign money owned politicians, New Zealand banning foreign political donations is an absolute must for us too

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Johnson blames care homes for Coronavirus deaths
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-sparks-anger-blaming-22311415?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Tell it to the judge at your trial you imbecile

This was inevitable. When you have a yellow, cowardly streak of pi$$ in charge, he was never going to take any responsibility.

The care home industry in the U.K. is set up in such a way that they farm old people like a crop. Many residents are being charged over £1000 per week to share one carer, being paid less than a supermarket shelf stacker, with six other people. PPE and Coronavirus testing was available at inflated prices, but the conflict arises because paying for these items reduces the value / yield from the crop. This aspect is a shared failure of government and the wealthy old people farmers (care home owners). The farm labourers are blameless.

Ultimately it all comes back to a lack of leadership and clear advice from the government.

 

[oldgroaner]

This was inevitable. When you have a yellow, cowardly streak of pi$$ in charge, he was never going to take any responsibility.

The care home industry in the U.K. is set up in such a way that they farm old people like a crop. Many residents are being charged over £1000 per week to share one carer, being paid less than a supermarket shelf stacker, with six other people. PPE and Coronavirus testing was available at inflated prices, but the conflict arises because paying for these items reduces the value / yield from the crop. This aspect is a shared failure of government and the wealthy old people farmers (care home owners). The farm labourers are blameless.

Ultimately it all comes back to a lack of leadership and clear advice from the government.

And of course the undeniable fact that the victims were denied any chance of treatment with complex equipment that was reserved for those the government determined as more deserving
It was quite simply this

A policy of euthanasia by deliberate refusal to provide adequate treatment directed at the elderly, and thus a crime against humanity

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

A policy of euthanasia by deliberate refusal to provide adequate treatment directed at the elderly, and thus a crime against humanity

Brutally, this is a win win for government. Win number one, when old people are dead, they are no longer a storage problem. Win number two, government cease to repay the dead old people’s lifetime of pension investments.

These two factors will have been in government’s minds, but probably not spoken about openly.

 

[Wicky]

Problem is asymptomatic carriers not realising they've got it (an antibody test if it becomes available will be handy) - either as its incubating and they;re infective or not showing any or only mild symptoms. Could be about 20% folk like this and they'll be the super spreaders.

Ideally we need a Crimbo type period again where EVERYONE just holes up for a fortnight - unfortunately due to practical and economic reasons that won't occur until its well underway (see Italy*)

* In a televised address on Monday, PM Mr Conte said that the best thing for the citizens of Italy was to stay at home.

Still long term we should see a freeing up of property as folk shuffle off this mortal coil, plus an upward blip in divorce / birth rate after isolation down the line .

mmmm ... asymptomatic transmission was first mentioned here as far back as March 9th

Hancock: Care homes 'doing amazing work'
We told you earlier about how Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been criticised for comments he made about care homes. He was accused of trying to shift the blame for coronavirus deaths onto care homes, after saying on Monday that "too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures".

Asked about those comments today in the House of Commons by shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth, Health Secretary Matt Hancock says "care homes have been doing amazing work".

He says because asymptomatic transmission wasn't known about, the correct procedures were not known.

Mr Hancock says "we have been constantly learning" about the virus and "improving procedures all the way through".

He adds that he wanted to pay tribute to the care homes that have "done so much to care for the most vulnerable throughout this crisis".

 

[Danidl]

mmmm ... asymptomatic transmission was first mentioned here as far back as March 9th

Hancock: Care homes 'doing amazing work'
We told you earlier about how Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been criticised for comments he made about care homes. He was accused of trying to shift the blame for coronavirus deaths onto care homes, after saying on Monday that "too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures".

Asked about those comments today in the House of Commons by shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth, Health Secretary Matt Hancock says "care homes have been doing amazing work".

He says because asymptomatic transmission wasn't known about, the correct procedures were not known.

Mr Hancock says "we have been constantly learning" about the virus and "improving procedures all the way through".

He adds that he wanted to pay tribute to the care homes that have "done so much to care for the most vulnerable throughout this crisis".

...And mentioned by the Chinese by 22January!.

 

[oyster]

The real meaning of brexit.

New Welsh factory at risk as Jim Ratcliffe's Ineos looks to make cars in France
Billionaire Brexit backer may ditch plan to build heir to Land Rover Defender at Bridgend, putting jobs at risk
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The decision to scrap plans for a new car plant in Bridgend, South Wales, spells further economic pain for the local community already reeling from news that Ford will shut its factory later this year after after more than 40 years.

Many of the 1,700 people working at the 60-acre Ford site halfway between Cardiff and Swansea had hoped to eventually find employment at the new Ineos plant which was under construction next door.

It would also mean that Ratcliffe’s British successor for the Land Rover Defender will use an engine designed in Germany by BMW and built in France. The Brexit supporter, and one of Britain’s richest men, left the UK to live in Monaco in 2018, just months after receiving his knighthood.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/07/jim-ratcliffe-ineos-land-rover-rival-france-wales